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Re: 1930 Buick V12 build
« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2022, 04:29:20 PM »
Just throwing this option out if running carbs or EFI:

1993 Porsche 911 964 Bosch Twin Plug Dual Distributor 0237503004

Ebay Link: 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/134103428791?var=0&mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&campid=5338590836&toolid=10044&customid=296f69d68772198d84980b229595b299

Connected via belt inside
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Re: 1930 Buick V12 build
« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2022, 09:54:31 PM »
Too Cool! I'll stick with one six, that's enough for me!  ;D
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Re: 1930 Buick V12 build
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2022, 05:32:12 PM »
Thank you for all the suggestions! EDNY and sixball!
That double Porsche distributor on ebay is probably the coolest/craziest  thing I've ever seen! Talk about over engineered!

Anyway, I've decided to go with MaXXECU. It's made in Sweden and there's a local guy here, who sells them and he has a very good reputation. He's going to make me an ignition map so I can get started. and also to make the right connectors for my simple ignition system.. So, in case that really works out, it's a lot different than starting to work on a Speeduino or Megasquirt with all the forum talk and learning by doing.
The MaxxECU will drive two coils and send the spark through the two stock distributors that are mounted to the front of the cylinder heads, and are driven off the cam shafts. The engine also has a 60-2 wheel on the crank, so the only ignition-thing not stock will be the ECU.

So, to more practical things:
Engine and transmission mounts.
I cut a bunch of parts from steel plate, a bit over 3/16" thick with the plasma, and then let them soak in weak acid over night. When sanded they looked this nice.



I forgot to take pics when making the engine mounts. They're more than half way inside the frame anyway, I might post pics of them when I get the engine out of the way.
The big plate bolts to the rear of the transmission and looks like this when welded and ready.



The transmission is a heavy duty six speed ZF 56DZ, which is heavy for a manual transmission, but the mount is still probably overkill.
The whole thing bolts to the rear of the transmission housing like this.



Just as I was going to weld the chassis mounts to the K-member, I happened to get that they have to be removeble, otherwise the transmission won't come out downwards when the body is on the frame. So bolt on mounts had to be made.



Here's what it looks like  right now. Both sides are ready to weld. I hope to get this done tomorrow. The rubber mounts are Volvo 740 transmission mounts. Cheap and easy to get here. One takes what one gots.

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Re: 1930 Buick V12 build
« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2022, 08:39:53 PM »
Nice work Essex_29!
Spending time with my grandkids gets in the way of finishing my car but I don't regret it!

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Re: 1930 Buick V12 build
« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2022, 04:24:09 AM »
keep up the good work v12,enjoying the build.
i cant wait to get on the road again

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Re: 1930 Buick V12 build
« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2022, 09:12:16 AM »
That is some nice work there. Great job Essex_29
Tighten it up til it strips, then back it off a quarter turn

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Re: 1930 Buick V12 build
« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2022, 12:00:35 PM »
Great work. Thanks for the tip on the Volvo mounts too.
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Re: 1930 Buick V12 build
« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2022, 02:41:02 PM »
THank you all for the kind words! Volvo engine mounts are a bit bigger, but they have M12 size threads, and my engine mounts just had 10 mm holes, so I went with the smaller transmission mounts.
M10 is similar in size to 3/8"unc, M12 is almost 1/2".

Anyway, The transmission mounts were welded yesterday, so they're done. This is what they look like, welded and gusseted:



The engine and transmission were hoisted out of the frame to gain access to finish the engine mounts. I saw my welds for the first time now. not pretty. I welded those little tacks with a mirror. Obviously not my thing...



When the engine  mount is welded to the inside of the frame, it will be framed with box plate and this round plate. Forming 1/8" thick sheet metal takes some hammering.



The stock engine mounts on this engine look pretty nice, so I elected to use them, even as they force me to make the frame mounts partly inside the frame. I think the frame will be plenty strong here anyway. The engine mounts are big enough for Volvo Engine mounts, if I just drill out the holes, as a precaution, if the smaller mounts start to give.








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Re: 1930 Buick V12 build
« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2022, 06:31:02 PM »
Finally today I got something done. I've been working on making parts and bits for the engine mounts
 for a few days. some days aren't efficient, for example when you get a visitor. It's fun when it happens,
 but the efficiency suffers.
Anyway, the box plates are done, the right hand side one is tacked and the driver's side one is fully welded.



The box plate got a lightening hole and a 1/4"-20 thread for a brake line. The angled joint on the box plate
 stems from my model airplane building days. An angled joint is stronger than a straight off one.



I think I'll grind off the vertical welds around the engine mounts. The welds will be plenty strong enough anyway
 everything is welded thoroughly, also the inner parts that aren't visible anymore. Especially those welds done
 in a mirror in my plast post.



Still some work with tidying up the underside of the frame here at the engine mount. The bocx plates
 would look much tidier if I grind those welds down smooth.

The frame is bolted to the floor, using it as a make shift chassis jig. After the right hand side box plate
and engine mount is all welded, I will unbolt the frame from the floor, turn it over and finish weld everything.

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Re: 1930 Buick V12 build
« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2022, 11:49:16 PM »
It looks good. Glad to see someone making progress.
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Re: 1930 Buick V12 build
« Reply #25 on: August 21, 2022, 06:39:06 AM »
hey bjorn you have been busy welding looks great.hello from ireland
i cant wait to get on the road again

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Re: 1930 Buick V12 build
« Reply #26 on: August 21, 2022, 03:26:28 PM »
Nice work!
Spending time with my grandkids gets in the way of finishing my car but I don't regret it!

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Re: 1930 Buick V12 build
« Reply #27 on: August 21, 2022, 03:28:09 PM »
Thank you sixball, I'm working on keeping some momentum. It's hard to get the ball rolling again, once
 it stopped. I had a one year break when building my last rod, and it took me several attempts to get up to
speed again.

Nice, Chris, to have you on board  :) Hope you check in now and then. At least I haven't figured out how to
 get update notifications by email yet.

Thankyou for your positive support TFoch!

So, as I mentioined in my last post, I ground down the vertical welds at the engine mounts, and that made
things look much tidier.



I squirted on some semi gloss black just because. I don't know what to do with the box plate welds, they'll
be visible her in the engine bay area. Hmm, should I  grind them smooth? They're not good looking  so
we'll see if I feel like tidying them up some.

I cut a couple slices off the sides to get the radiatorshell to sit lower, where it belongs. The original front crossmember was about 5/8"
lower and almost two inches wider, hence the cutting.


Looks great now that the engine and transmission hangs in their own proper mounts, no wood on the
floor to prop it all up, like there has been since December... for nine months. How time flies.

Oh, and don't mind the funny carbs. I do a lot of plasma cutting and other dirty work and I don't want to have decent carbs get all clogged up.


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Re: 1930 Buick V12 build
« Reply #28 on: August 21, 2022, 03:31:37 PM »
Big accomplishment to get the engine sitting in the frame on it's mounts!  Keep a it!
Tom
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Re: 1930 Buick V12 build
« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2022, 04:48:37 PM »
That looks great! You are a welding machine.
Tighten it up til it strips, then back it off a quarter turn

 


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