Mike if you have never shot a shotgun at a glay bird.Then all those little pellets dont mean a dam thing if you do not know how to lead the bird,just like in that plane it is in all probability flying at over 100 miles per hour. I am laughing my ass off because i took my brother in law out and i offered him a semi auto load ,a pump both in 12 gauge and a double barrell 410 faranchi and with all three he never scratched a clay bird all day. He though oh yah just aim that shotgun and pull the triger. Right now i am laughing again because i know there are guys here that are as good if not better than me and there are the odd bird that gets away on me I am 70 plus and been shooting since i was 12 years of age. You all have a great day now wayner lol lol