[SpeedHunter]

Hi everyone. I was pointed to this forum from another great online community by Tom(TFoch).
Can someone here help me ID this http://imgur.com/a/wgFpO ? the serials read 4641150 , then 348532 , B98 and the Chevrolet logo with 1. , I already made a thread on another site and someone pointed out that the engine is made in Feb 9, 1928 the problem is with the chassis and radiator since they dont seem to fit the the year , any help in finding out what model it is?

[TFoch]

Hi Speedhunter,
Glad you signed up.  Hope you enjoy the site.  I hope the Chevy guys on here can help you identify the chassis and grill.
Tom

[themoose]

First off welcome aboard.

I believe the number you pictures are showing is the casting number which would make it a 1928 engine but from what I can see from your pictures the car may be earlier  than that. Do you have any other info or pictures?

Moose

 

Engine Casting #	Make	Year	CID, #mains, [size=-2]number of cylinders [/size]	Possible Stamped Serial Numbers
14001133	Chevrolet	76-80	292 = 7
1782594	Chev	36	Canada	M5593000
1788201	Chev	37	Australia	R in serial # (?)
1970	Chevrolet	64-67	292 = 7
2135412	GMC	46-54	200,270 = 4
2193980	GMC	52-54	302
2324002	GMC	55-62	248,302
2324003	GMC	55-63	270
2324004	GMC	55-62	302
2404929	GMC	55-63	270 = 4m
289890	Chevrolet	63-77	292 = 7
327773	Chev 490 & Supr	1922-24	171-4cyl
328518	Chevrolet	73-77	292 = 7
328572	Chevrolet	73-76	250 = 7
328575	Chev/Buick/Olds/ Pontiac	68-84	250 = 7
328576	Chev/Buick/Pontiac	68-76	250 = 7
328578	Chevrolet	73-84	292 = 7
328880	Chevrolet	63-77	292 = 7
329990	Chevrolet	63-77	292 =7
344624	Chev Sup	1925	171 – 4cyl = 3
345504	Chev Sup	1926	171 – 4cyl = 3
346715	Chev	26??	171 – 4cyl = 3
348532	Chev	28	171 – 4cyl =3
348709	Chev	27	171 – 4cyl =3
352194	Chevrolet	73-84	292 =7
358825	Chevrolet	66-76	250 = 7
3629703	Chevrolet	50-52	235 = 4
364909	Chevrolet/Olds	75-79	292 = 7
3660439	Chev	41	235 = 4m
366855	Chev/Buick/Olds/ Pontiac	66-84	250 = 7
3692703	Chevrolet	50-51	235 = 4 PG	HDA,HDM,HEA,HEM JDA,JDM,JEA,JEM
3692708	Chevrolet	(51?)50-52	235
3692713	Chevrolet	(50?)50-52	Truck 235
3693374	Chevrolet	(46?)42-49	235
3701481	Chevrolet	54	235	TorF54L-Z
3701483	Chev	53	235	LDA,LDM,LEA,LEM,
3701946	Chevrolet	53 3-spd	235 dipper	LAA(?) ditto above.
3702436(part#?)	Chev	54-55	261
3703414	Chevrolet	54-56(??)	261
37127	Chevrolet	73-76	250 = 7
3733340	Chevrolet	55-57	261
3733414	Chev	55-57	261
3733813	Chevrolet	58	261
3733946	Chevrolet	54-55	235
3733949	Chevrolet	55 1st ser	235
3733950	Chevrolet	54-55	261
3737012	Chevrolet	55-57	261
3738307	Chevrolet	58-60 trk	235
3738365	Chevrolet	60-62	261
3738476	Chevrolet	58-62	235
3738813	Chevrolet	55-59	261
3739365	Chevrolet	58-62(59?)	261
3739716	Chevrolet	58-62(60)	235
3759365	Chevrolet	59	261
3764476	Chevrolet	58-62	235
3768925	Chev (half inch NPT oil gauge)	55 - +	261
3769	Chev	58 – 62	235
3769716	Chevrolet	60	235
3769717	Chevrolet	59-62	261
3769925	Chevrolet	58-62	261
377127	Chevrolet/Olds/ Pontiac	73-79	250 = 7
377129	Chevrolet	73-84	292 = 7
3773949	Chevrolet	54	235
3777178	Buick	68-76	250 = 7
3782856	Chevrolet	62-67	194 = 7
3782858	Chevrolet	62-67	194 = 7
378307	Chevrolet	60-62	235
3783949	Chevrolet	53-54	235
3788378	Chevrolet	62-74	292 = 7
3788406	Chevrolet	62-69	230 = 7
3788514	Chevrolet	62-70	153 =5–4cyl
3788813	Chevrolet	55-59(58?)	261
3789404	Chevrolet	63-76	292 = 7
3789412	Chevrolet	63-66	292 = 7
3789716	Chevrolet	63-72	292 = 7
3792852	GMC	62-66	194 = 7
3792858	Chevrolet	62-67	194 = 7
3821970	GMC	67-72	292 = 7
3833057	Chevrolet	62-70	194 = 7
3833067	Chevrolet	63-70	194 = 7
3833340	Chevrolet	55-57	261
383340	Chevrolet	55-57	261
3835253	Chevrolet	48 – 49	216	FA, GA
3835309	Chevrolet	48 - 49	235	FDA,FDM,FEA,FEM GDA,GDM,GEA,GEM
3835335	Chevrolet	47	235	EDA,EDM,EEA,EEM
3835353	Chevrolet	48-52	216
3835363	Chevrolet	54	235
3835374	Chevrolet	42-49	235
3835491	Chevrolet	54	235
3835497	Chev (half ton ?)	50 - 51	216	AHCA-BJCM HAA-JCQ
3835527	Chevrolet	51	216
3835692	Chevrolet	52	235	KDA,KDM,KEA,KEM
3835794	Chevrolet	52-53	216
3835846	Chevrolet	53	235
3835849	Chev (half ton ?)	52 -53	216	AKCA-BLCP KAA-LCQ
3835894	Chevrolet	53	216
3835911	Chevrolet	54-55	235
3835917	Chevrolet	54-55	235
3835946	Chevrolet	53	235
3835949	Chevrolet	54	235
3836012	Chevrolet	55-57	261
3836223	Chevrolet	55-57	235
3836233	Chevrolet	55-4/1/56	235
3836340	Chevrolet	57	261
3836386	Chevrolet	55-57	235
3837004	Chevrolet T56X	55-57	235-261
3837012	Chevrolet	55-57 Also42-51	261 ? 216 ?
3838004	Chev	55-57	235
3843363	Chevrolet	53-55	235
3850817	Chevrolet	62-78	230-250 = 7
3851656	Chevrolet	63-72	292 = 7
3851659	Chevrolet	63-76	292 = 7
3851859	Chevrolet	63-72	292 = 7
3854036	Chev/Olds/ Pontiac	62-76	230-250 = 7
3855914	Chevrolet	63-66	292 = 7
3855987	Chevrolet	63-71	292 = 7
3855991	Chevrolet	63-70	230 = 7
3856233	Chevrolet	55	235
3858190	Chevrolet	54-55	235
386855	Chevrolet	74-77	250 = 7
3877178	Buick/Olds/Chev/ Pont/GMC	62-78	230-250 = 7
3879875	Chevrolet	62-70	194 = 7
3886061	Chevrolet	63-66	292 = 7
3890011	Buick/Chev/Olds /Pontiac	68-72	250 = 7
3890013	Chevrolet	68-72	250 = 7
3892858	Chevrolet	64-67	194 = 7
389770	Chevrolet	42-51 (?)	216
3897702	Chevrolet	42-53 (?)	216
3921770	Chevrolet	66-76	292 = 7
3921967	Chevrolet	64-69	230 = 7
3921968	Chevrolet/Olds	64-76	230-250 = 7
3921970	Chevrolet	63-76	292 = 7
40050	Chev FA Early	1916-19	224 – 4cyl
43950	Chev FB	1919-22	224 – 4cyl
45834	Chev 490	1922	171 – 4 cyl
473180	Chev Standard	1933	182 3 main	Head = 600569
473741	Chev Standard	1934	182 3 main	Head = 473740
5485363	Chev	54	235
5845363	Chev	54	235
6107326	GMC	39 – 54	228
6107328	GMC	39 – 55	248
743	Chev 490	1916 – 17	171-4cyl
828575	Chevrolet	72-77	250 = 7main
835501	Chev	29 – 30	194 = 3main
836010	Chev	1936	206 = 3main	Head = 837981
836409	Chev	31	194 = 3main
836573	Chev	32	194 = 3main	Head = 836718
837591	Chev	35	206 = 3main	Early Head = 837230 Late Head = 837682
837231	Chev Master	1933 & 34	206 = 3 main	33=836961,34=837230
837751	Chevrolet	42-49	235 dipper
838101	Chev	37	216 = 4 main	Serial# 1 – 1187821
838710	Chev	38	216 = 4m	1187822 – 1915446 B1 - B10502
838941	Chev	39	216 = 4m	1915447 – 2697267 B10503 - B105461
838751	Chev	42	235 = 4m	BG, BL
839132	Chev	40	216 = 4m	2697268 – 3665902 B105462 - B221935
839400	Chev	41	216 = 4m	AA1001 - AA1163720 AC1001 - AC19549
839751	Chev	42 – 46	235 = 4m	BG, BL, DDA, DDM, DEA, DEM
839770	Chevrolet	(46-49?) 42	216	2AA, 2AC, BA DA, EA
8397715	Chevrolet	42-49	235
839910	Chevrolet	42-51	216
839931	Chevrolet	42-49	235
8692703(?)	Chev PG	50	235
8994256	Chevrolet	64-77	292 = 7
93403466	Chevrolet	75-83	250 = 7
93403467	Chevrolet	75-84	292 = 7
93406004	Chevrolet	75-84	292 = 7
967	Chev 490	1918 - 21	171-4cyl
9787437	Pontiac	66-67	230 = 7
9790043	Pontiac	68-69	250 = 7
9795066	Pontiac	68-69	250 = 7
9890043	Pontiac	68-69	250 = 7

[SpeedHunter]

First off welcome aboard.

I believe the number you pictures are showing is the casting number which would make it a 1928 engine but from what I can see from your pictures the car may be earlier  than that. Do you have any other info or pictures?

Moose

No info at all , info about it is what im trying to find , also i can make as many pictures as you want , but tomorrow since theres no light there now , just tell me what you want me to take a picture of

[themoose]

The frame and springs look to be pretty heavy duty plus the frame appears to be cracked and patched  which might indicate some hard usage such that a truck might experience.  The radiator shell looks to have a different profile than any Chevy that I'm familiar with the top inner corners of the opening being more rounded that the  of the typical Chevy style through the years plus what appears to be some sort of louver system to control air flow through the radiator . Also from what I can see in the pictures it looks like the engine mounts could have been fabricated to accommodate the Chevy engine . So what does this all mean? Possible export  or limited production vehicle or one that was fabricated from bits and pieces from some other make with the addition of a Chevy badge  to represent the engine. Got me stumped. Be sure to let us know what you come up with.

Moose

[SpeedHunter]

The frame and springs look to be pretty heavy duty plus the frame appears to be cracked and patched  which might indicate some hard usage such that a truck might experience.  The radiator shell looks to have a different profile than any Chevy that I'm familiar with the top inner corners of the opening being more rounded that the  of the typical Chevy style through the years plus what appears to be some sort of louver system to control air flow through the radiator . Also from what I can see in the pictures it looks like the engine mounts could have been fabricated to accommodate the Chevy engine . So what does this all mean? Possible export  or limited production vehicle or one that was fabricated from bits and pieces from some other make with the addition of a Chevy badge  to represent the engine. Got me stumped. Be sure to let us know what you come up with.

Moose

the frame is indeed cracked in one place and patched , it was build in a house so as not to be confiscated by the communists or so ive heard so i dont think the chassis is complete ,  as for its usage , it was later modified to cut wood ( such a waste ).
I'll post closer pictures with the the engine mounts so you can see if it was really modified.
Possible export? probably since im not in the US ; Limited production , i wish but not likely and i really dont think it was fabricated from bits since some very old people said they saw it almost complete when it was built in the house.I was hoping the serials could help me track down the original body model and how it looked like.
On a side note here since you're an expert , how much is it worth in this state and how much would it cost to restore it ? 

[themoose]

 

how much is it worth in this state and how much would it cost to restore it ?

There’s never a good answer to those questions…. It’s all relative. The value is affected by a number of factors but is usually mostly influenced by the basic law of supply and demand. If everybody wants one and you have the only one then it might be worth a lot of money and if the opposite is true then the value would be far less. Add to this things such as historical significance or sentimental value and the answer becomes even more clouded. In the case of your vehicle where we really don’t even know for sure what it is I don’t think I could even give you a good ballpark answer.  As for the cost of restoration we have a similar situation. How rare and available are parts, will you do the work yourself or do you have to sublet it, do you want a show car or just a fun car. Those are the things that I take into consideration when I’m trying to come up with an idea of what a project will cost or to set a budget and even then I find that most of the time I’m still not very close to my estimate when the project is finished. For me It’s usually a labor of love and the monetary considerations are secondary.
 
Moose
 

[SpeedHunter]

Updating with more pictures as requested here http://imgur.com/a/5YNDE , sorry for the late reply i had some stuff to do.
On the steering wheel thing ( i dont know the english translation for it ) is written 258080 ( thats my guess , its pretty rusty ) then the symbol which look like a steering wheel and then an 8 , after the text reads PATENTED "Jaco..*" SAGINAW MICH or HICH [  maybe jacob? , im kinda bussy and dont have time to look it up sorry ] . On the other part ( dont know the translation again ) H2137 is written.
I've also inculded better shots of the radiator , and because of an accident the bowtie loggo fell off .

[SpeedHunter]

 

how much is it worth in this state and how much would it cost to restore it ?

There’s never a good answer to those questions…. It’s all relative. The value is affected by a number of factors but is usually mostly influenced by the basic law of supply and demand. If everybody wants one and you have the only one then it might be worth a lot of money and if the opposite is true then the value would be far less. Add to this things such as historical significance or sentimental value and the answer becomes even more clouded. In the case of your vehicle where we really don’t even know for sure what it is I don’t think I could even give you a good ballpark answer.  As for the cost of restoration we have a similar situation. How rare and available are parts, will you do the work yourself or do you have to sublet it, do you want a show car or just a fun car. Those are the things that I take into consideration when I’m trying to come up with an idea of what a project will cost or to set a budget and even then I find that most of the time I’m still not very close to my estimate when the project is finished. For me It’s usually a labor of love and the monetary considerations are secondary.
 
Moose

I'm not looking for an exact sum or any special circumstances like me being the only one with the part in question , im looking for approximate value  , i know it cant value much , but still i dont want my father giving it to the first person giving 100$ for it ( unless of course its worth lee than that ) and its value be 1000$. And at least i know what the engine is for sure , how much would it be worth ?
On a side note , first i taught it was a 1928 Chevrolet National Series AB and i searched a bit for that model and found various prices for it mostly 14,000$ but then i found this fella here http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/chevrolet/national/1579308.html , whats so special about it?

About restoration , i dont really think i would build it as a show car , just as a fun car and so is restoring it , i will do it personally along with my father if i find out what it is and if its worth it