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Steering Problem
« on: December 01, 2022, 02:02:05 PM »
I continue to have the problem where the car tends to sway back and forth on the road and can be scary. I think this problem showed worst when I put a power rack on. The only thing the shop can find is 1 degree positive camber on the right rear wheel and 1/2 degree positive camber on the left wheel. The rear end is a 57 Chevy that has been narrowed to fit. They are suspecting the rear end is the problem.

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Re: Steering Problem
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2022, 02:43:55 PM »
What is the caster...sounds like some postive castor would pull it straight.  If you now have power steering...on a light hot rod...might need a little positive caster to make up for the power steering.

Of course "toe" could also contribute...but I would verify caster first.
« Last Edit: December 01, 2022, 02:48:45 PM by EDNY »
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Re: Steering Problem
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2022, 03:11:31 PM »
What is the caster...sounds like some postive castor would pull it straight.  If you now have power steering...on a light hot rod...might need a little positive caster to make up for the power steering.

Of course "toe" could also contribute...but I would verify caster first.
Ed, just to be clear, I am talking about the rear end. After they shortened it, maybe they tweaked it to cause the positive camber. It would have to be cut and wielded to correct this wouldn't it? 

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Re: Steering Problem
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2022, 04:08:49 PM »
Yes..I would use a magnetic digital gauge to check housing tube vs axle faces?  If you had run out..I would think you'd have a vibration issue.
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Re: Steering Problem
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2022, 07:23:28 PM »
  I really don't think 1 degree + on one side and 1/2 degree + on the other would cause a steering issue, slight tire wear maybe. The is 1/2 degree difference. I bet  the housing could be tweaked enough to straighten it. 
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Re: Steering Problem
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2022, 08:40:23 PM »
Can they give you a print out of the front alignment ?
Solid axle rear,  not much can be done except maybe swap a unmodified rear in,  maybe Ford 8.8 or other.  Could the steering be tight (like not returning to center) ?
Mine does this after using a stabilizer. 
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Re: Steering Problem
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2022, 09:24:13 PM »
What about the front to rear weight ratio? Maybe there's not enough weight up front.

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Re: Steering Problem
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2022, 11:30:19 AM »
Yes..I would use a magnetic digital gauge to check housing tube vs axle faces?  If you had run out..I would think you'd have a vibration issue.
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Re: Steering Problem
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2022, 11:40:49 AM »
Can they give you a print out of the front alignment ?
Solid axle rear,  not much can be done except maybe swap a unmodified rear in,  maybe Ford 8.8 or other.  Could the steering be tight (like not returning to center) ?
Mine does this after using a stabilizer.
Rattiac, the frontend guy has worked with the front end and rear 4 link and to no avail. Maybe worse. I gave him the Kugel specs that  got from Jeff Kugel, but he says he doesn't need them. He is an old school gut, but most hot roders recommend him. On a test ride yesterday I almost lost it when a tractor trailor passed and the car veered drastically from the wind. I tried to compensate and it resulted in a fight to stop the swaying back and fourth. I just want to drive my car. Thanks

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Re: Steering Problem
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2022, 11:42:09 AM »
What about the front to rear weight ratio? Maybe there's not enough weight up front.
I will suggest that, thanks.

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Re: Steering Problem
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2022, 02:26:01 PM »
Maybe more caster is needed and a bit more toe.
Just an example::;;; my 99 jeep has 7° caster from the factory with a 1.75 ballpark (5.50 to 8.0) tolerance.
I take recommendations from other local hotrodders with a grain of salt,  cause most times I've been deeply disappointed.  Like the guy who aligned my axle, he  bent it on one side and looks like crap.  🙁
Demand a print out and get a second opinion before any major mods. 
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Re: Steering Problem
« Reply #11 on: December 02, 2022, 06:02:58 PM »
I agree with a lot above and Rattiac's thoughts.

If your sway got worse when you changed to a power rack, more caster may be needed. Racks have a tendency to be a quick ratio and not being on the numbers may make it worse with power. Rear coils have a tendency to be more sway than leaf spings and weight bias effects that. I also doubt your rear end being only 1/2 degree off will have anything to do with the problem.

Personally i would go off the Kugel specs. I'm sure they spent much time and money on the research during development. My good old alignment guy would start at factory specs, take it out for a test and then tweek to meet the individual car requirments based on his complete understanding of suspensions. When he was happy, so was i.

I've had quite a few good alignment guys, but all but 2 failed at setting C2-C3 Vette rear ends correctly. They both started a factory specs and tweeked from there if they had to.
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Re: Steering Problem
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2022, 04:24:53 PM »
Sounds you have a real bad problem there,munch. The problem getting worse
with powersteering sounds like a lot more caster would be needed.
My Essex was all but undriveable with 4 degrees of caster (all over the road at
40mph). I put in 7 degree wedges, and it behaved like new.
Lots of caster doesn't have any negative effects other than making the turn
radius slightly bigger and the car sluggish if you go ridiculous.
Too little caster is plain awful.

I have a bit of toe out on the rear acle of my '57 Pontiac, which makes it behave
weirdly, and rub the inside of the tires. Not fixed yet, but the racing guys incorporate
a bit of toe in by welding or heating the front of the axle tubes, to make them
contract and bend, so no need to cut and weld, I think this could work for you.
I'll certainly do it, when I get my current project out of the way.

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Re: Steering Problem
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2022, 04:44:14 AM »
Came to think of it: Check play in steering column. I had some play creeping in on my Pontiac, and it was awful to drive. The problem was solved when I fond that a u-joint was loose, and a nut was tightened.

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Re: Steering Problem
« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2022, 01:59:18 PM »
Thanks all, I will let you know.

 


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