[EDNY]

Yep!

[sixball]

Yeah, just shoot the gun out of their hand or wing 'em. Better yet send in the social workers because violent criminals really just need someone who understands them to talk to. 

[EDNY]

Now I know why when I read stories where cops shot at a suspect 21 times and didn't hit him...they were trying to hit him in the knee   They aren't really bad shots after all!

[62131]

no knock to crawling go figure

[madmike3434]

cops are aiming all wrong, no knees that means you got a welfare case for life.

Shoot them in the butt, where the criminal brains are.

mike

hairball

[sixball]

At least if on welfare they won't be sitting on their ass for a while.  Shooting them in the knee will make them easier to catch next time. 
Many years ago a group of "buck skinners" I belonged to put on a muzzle loading shooting match each year. The county sheriff's shooting team challenged us to a match. We fired first using our guns, muzzle loading rifle and cap and ball revolver, against their modern rifles and handguns. We won! Then we did a second round where we fired their modern weapons and they fired our black powder pieces. We won again.  We asked if they wanted to do knives and tomahawks. 

One of my friends from that group was also a quick draw champ with live ammo. He could probably shoot the gun out of someone's hand, or shoot their hand off of their gun, but he wasn't the kind of guy you'd pin a badge on.

[EDNY]

Police firearms training is nonexistent...we had an indoor range that could be used 24/7 even during the Winter months.  GOVT closed it down to make more room for office and storage space.  They just spent millions (MILLIONS) to build a new port of entry in Champlain, NY…no consideration at all for an indoor range (or outdoor) that could be used for all law enforcement agencies, including Canadian.

Our agency REQUIRED firearm qualification every 3 months but did not give us the range to qualify on.  We would have to beg for range time on local privately owned ranges.

One quick story: We had an indoor range that failed OSHA ventilation standards, so we spent over 60K to install a new ventilation system, OSHA returned and said that the system passed but since it was so close…they shut it down again!  So…it was converted into storage space instead.

OSHA was concerned with the ventilation being released into the environment even with filters!  So we had to shoot again outdoors….think about it….now 100% was released outside.

Plus the lead was shot into the ground.  With an indoor range the lead is reclaimed.

Law enforcement agencies spend a lot of time and money on feel good programs...but very little on firearms training.

[madmike3434]

last time i was thru the Queenston bridge, the USA was building a giant building backing onto the existing smaller building, apparently the government has gazillions of dollars for structures in NY state.  i never go thru niagara falls or fort ERIE , buffalo, i guess they are spending like drunks there too.

Be easiest for government to buy time at club or private ranges.  But that makes too much sense.

Question, for all your years on the force, how many times have you discharged your weapon in the line of duty ??
How many times a year would you go to the range to just practice .

mike .............

[chopper526]

I am so glad I am retiring......and my son wants to be a cop

[madmike3434]

have him apply up here, police start at $57G and get to $92G in 4 years.  plus all medical is covered and less people with hand guns looking to blow you away.

will have to wait until the border re-opens maybe in new year

mike

[EDNY]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnafho4KMiQ&feature=youtu.be

[madmike3434]

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Question, for all your years on the force, how many times have you discharged your weapon in the line of duty ??
How many times a year would you go to the range to just practice .

mike .............

2nd try for an answer
mike

[chopper526]

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Question, for all your years on the force, how many times have you discharged your weapon in the line of duty ??
How many times a year would you go to the range to just practice .

mike .............

2nd try for an answer

Mike, I have never discharged my weapon in the line of duty. I have had it out many, many times, pointed it at many people, never shot, or shot at anyone, thankfully. We have to go to the range and qualify once a year, that's the only time I go. However, my department's range is open every day to practice, they even give up ammo. I am a bit of a dinosaur, in that I still carry a revolver, and not to brag, but I am pretty good with it.....against a paper target, that is
As far as my son goes, you can't become a Philly cop until you are 22, so I said finish college, then try federal law enforcement (FBI, Secret Service, etc), if that doesn't work out go local as a last resort.

[chopper526]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnafho4KMiQ&feature=youtu.be

Ed, this tells me all I need to know about Biden and his mental acuity. If you want to read something frightening, check out his tax proposals.

[EDNY]

I have been in a couple of on duty shootings (border patrol .. I'll leave it at that). 

BTW: I have a fire extinguisher in my shop...never had to use it....hope I don't need to!  Nice to have it just in case.