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Title: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on April 27, 2014, 03:26:21 PM
these are pictures of my 1935 Chevrolet standard series EC roadster as I redo the wood, and theres a lot of wood.  Wood is a combination of oak, northern ash and cherry.  This is the seat back that attaches to the area behind the seat that holds the folding top assembly.  I used forstner wood bits to sink the T NUTS down below the wood surface. .  Whack it once with hammer to set the prongs tip marks, then drill 1/16 th holes in center of tips marks. Then drive the T NUT  down below the wood surface.

I used cherry wood for the slats and chose all the wood that looks like a real tree should. Check out the grain in the wood.  this would never get used by cabinet makers because of the grain. Still charge you same price. !!  The clear finish is an expensive varnish $50 a quart, from Holland, from a company named epifanes.  you thin the first coat out 50% and second 25% and third 20%, then down to 10%.


mike
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on April 27, 2014, 03:47:15 PM
  Shazzbott, 1935 Chevrolet roadster getting rewooded.  This is one of the doors for the roadster. I got a pair of these from a friend in Knoxville tenn and 80% of the wood kit made by somebody.

 The original patterns is what these were from a man named glen stauffer since passed from jekyl island Georgia who was big into 1932--1935 Chevrolet open cars. The original wood in the doors was something home made by somebody who did more damage than repair.

also shown is the main floor sills the body mounts too..........runs from firewall on frame to just behind the rear door post area
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on April 27, 2014, 04:03:06 PM
  More wood working on SHAZZBOTT .  shown is the rumble seat deck lid wood assembly. The seat back cushion attaches to this, the wood frame is nailed to the metal rumble seat lid thru the sides.

Second picture shows some more assorted wood parts, the main spine curved parts that attach to the quarter panels and inside the trunk on the sides.  The water metal troughs get nailed to these.

picture 3 is my home made steam bending apparatus made from 3 wall paper steamers from home depot, with hoses.  The 8 foot long black ABS pipe is capped at one end and unscrews at the other . It has a drain hole drilled into pipe to let out excess steam and hot water, and take some of the pressure off the pipe.  Wood is soaked in this for 2 days, then steamed for one hour , then quickly grabbed and put into the bending jig.   You definitely need a couple of buddies to help do this clamping.


mike   

Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: sammons on April 27, 2014, 04:20:38 PM
Nice wood working there Mike.  I don't think I would have the patience, or skill for that.
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on April 27, 2014, 04:27:46 PM
shazzbott.......making the seat surround top holder
picture 1...this is the original seat surround out of the car, its made from many original pieces using various techniques......finger joints, scarf joints, stacked joints.  in my wisdom I figured I could build it stronger and better than original design and set out to make it out of one piece of 1 1/4" thick northern ash, planed down to 15/16 and the lengths of 8 foot cut to 3 1/4" wide.  Then stacked on top of each other using multiple biscuits and TITE BOND  3 waterproof glue.

Also shown is the bending jig I made that is 10% shorter width wise than the actual width needed because your going to get spring back. I kept the steamed and bent part in the jig for 3-4 days before placing it in the exact fit jig for another 4-5 days.

took me a month making all the parts, steaming, soaking, bending and just general stuff.. I made two of these surrounds.....one is stock height 6 3/4" the other is 5" higher at 12"..  Both are still sitting in my basement from last October fully clamped up with pipe clamps before I dig them out this spring and begin sanding them both and wood varnishing them.

The wood was all book marked so that when I cut the 10" wide boards down to 3 1/4" wide the fantasic wood pattern would match up perfectly.  I went thru a lot of boards to find 2 that had a lot of character to the wood.

last picture shows all the wood surround parts I steam bent and jigged before stacking them into the 2 surrounds.  You have to do this right , there is no margin to make errors.  Its been a grueling experience that continues this spring.

mike
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on April 27, 2014, 04:33:55 PM
Nice wood working there Mike.  I don't think I would have the patience, or skill for that.

most of the wood I bought an 80% complete kit having to fabricate the surround myself. a full roadster  kit I hear is around $7--8 grand with a 2 year wait.

 Its just a case of waiting for 2 years to buy a part or put your jock on and lets get to work.  like anything when your building a car spend a lot of time thinking about what you think is the best way to do the job and then do it.

 Also let me say this........thank god for U TUBE because there is a ton of people on there with home made instructional videos.  just type in whatever it is your interested in......steam bending and spend hours watching stuff.  helped me

mike
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on May 01, 2014, 10:20:04 AM
more shots of the top folding area and the seat surround. All wood is 15/16 northern ash planed down from 1 1/4 thick.

A biscuit jointer machine is used to create biscuit pockets so that each board lines up with the next.   Titebond 3 waterproof glue is used in each biscuit joint and the mating surfaces are also coated with it and tightly clamped together with clamps pulling top down onto bottom piece, not shown.  This particular seat surround was made 4 boards high, the other I made was 3 boards high to factory stock height for another guy.


The pine wood boards with clamps are used to make sure when the long boards are clamped down that they line up perfectly with the one below.

mike
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on May 01, 2014, 10:36:27 AM
When I bought the roadster the rumble seat floor had a glued down outdoor type carpet in there. After getting it out you see what I see.   There was a metal floor inside the area that was pop riveted down. After I removed that I could see problems. What I did not know was what was below the surface.  So I took the panel to enviro tech metal strippers where they chemically remove absolutely everything that is not iron.

Here you see what I found that was covered with bondo, tar, snot and who knows what else to create this HOLY MESS. After thinking long and hard and discussing with a friend about how to go about saving this floor design. The angles of 10 degrees were what the bends measured using my angle finder.  Went to a metal supermarket and they bent me up a main panel . Then made me 2 side pieces that would be welded to the sides to follow the correct angles.  Excess will be trimmed away.   

The roadster rumble seat floor pan is different than non rumble seat , because the floor pan for the rumble , this is the foot well area, the regular trunk floor is all angled.   Whole lot of MIG welding, grinding and smoothing was done to turn out a duplicate.  The only part usable from the original was the back part that raises up to clear the rear end.

mike    8)
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on May 01, 2014, 01:51:16 PM
new rumble seat roadster only,  floor pan all welded up and attached to the remaining over the rear end part, the only salvageable part.

The original stiffening braces will be re-attached using 10/32 stainless button head allen heads with ny-locks
.  I will use oil and gas proof 1/16 thick paper under the braces so the main panel does not get scratched.

SEE IN PICTURE #3 all the original nail holes along the top , this is how this floor pan is attached front and back to wood stringers, sides go onto metal stampings.

mike       8)   SHAZZBOTT
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: ghost28 on May 01, 2014, 08:12:27 PM
You are getting after it. Nice
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on May 17, 2014, 09:33:46 PM
after owning my 35 3 window coupe  since 1970 I finally found the only pair of NOS running boards I have ever seen for sale.  This pair will end up on SHAZZBOTT the 35 roadster.

once when I went to look at a 34 roadster in early 80's the guy in western NY state had 12 pair of NOS boards and would not sell a pair. Was an amazing sight  back then. He had a 34 roadster for sale , a 1935 roadster he was finishing up, a 1934 Chevrolet master phaeton with absolutely every option imaginable in 1934. Lost his address . Wish I had bought that 34 roadster back then for the $8500.

mike lynch  8)
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on May 17, 2014, 09:39:24 PM
  I also managed to purchase this past winter and bring home last week another pair of running boards for 34-35 standard, these ones are used.     these are better than a previous pair I bought 4 years ago so will sell those off.

These will end up at enviro tech metal strippers where they will undergo an acid type bath/that takes all the rust , paint, tar and bondo or anything else off the surfaces, leaving them perfectly clean. size]


mike lynch    8)
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on May 17, 2014, 10:13:34 PM
back in 1996 when I was re-doing the coupe with new frame overhaul and new motor 350--zz4 trans 700R4 setup, kugel front and jag mark 10 independant rear. I hated what was available for sbc center bolt 1986 + up  aluminum heads.  I remembered the two companies who produced very interesting vavle covers.  I found the GENNIE SHIFTER COMPANY DOHC valve covers from early 80's,  luckily at a local swap meet. Could not believe my luck.

I always kept an eye out for the LARSEN ENGINEERING VALVE COVERS in case a pair popped up and sure enough 4 pairs showed up on ebay last fall .  The first one sold brought a really high auction price on ebay around $900 . And because of that it drew out another pair that went for $720 or so.  Both beyond what I was prepared to spend.  Then coupla weeks later yet another set showed up on ebay but went for less than $550.  got sniped on them in last 2 seconds.  Well a month later yet one last set turned up and they ended up with me winning them.  Here they are , tops unbolt and you bolt them down from inside to cylinder heads.

These are pretty wide and makes your small block look like a big block[. I plan on having stripped the chrome off the tops and blast them with walnut shells to smooth everything out.  From there I will water sand them to a satin finish, as all the aluminum parts will be refinished to that look.  The flat area in the middle is for 1964--64 corvette crossed fender flags.

Doug Bronson in Cleveland tenn. has about 6 sets of these for sale on ebay and they have 10 groves milled into the top for an even wider look.

mike lynch  madmike3434    8)
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Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on May 18, 2014, 12:04:33 PM
Here is some stuff I picked up for the roadster.  These are rocker panel inside the car door , mount to the floor edge aluminum etched pattern parts made by I & I repo . They nail down onto the wood frame and serve as a carpet or rubber mat edge. Apparently they only came on the 33-35 chevy and only for the closed fisher bodied car bodies........roadsters were not made by fisher body.  Don't care what restorer guys say is correct , I like them on my hot rod.

picture #14...got these from TANKS, 1934--1938 chevy repo ; gas tank straps , bolts, and rubber strips .  The metal brackets at the top of the picture are for 34-35 standard chev front fender braces. These run from the skirt area of the fender over to the inside and stiffen the skirt area.

While poking around ebay in the nascar search section, its amazing the trick parts and pieces that show up as surplus as teams close up shop or get rid of excess stuff. There is a few guys who seem to have a foot in the door buying this stuff up for re-sale.  This was only $14.95, the aluminum carb spacer and somebody spent some time lightening it with a milling machine.  Thought it added some character so bought it.  price was right.

mike lynch  madmike3434    8)
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on May 18, 2014, 12:31:49 PM
the biggest purchase I made for 2014 was the duVall silicon bronze windshield for 32--35 ford roadster. This is one of 12 sets re cast from the original duVall molds owned by his nephew Doty that Dave Grant was able to refurbish & borrow.

 Best part about this 5 piece casting set is that altho its meant for 32--35 fords I can adapt this to my 35 Chevrolet. It can easily be made narrower ??? if needed to fit my cowl.  It will be placed on the car cowl and bolted down starting with the center piece and the  2 sides. This will either be TIG welded  using silicon bronze rod or silver soldered.  There is lots to do to make it work.

I also got the special aluminum topper from British  Columbia Canada who made these up to fit the past tech model duVall.  The slot in the underneath fits the windshield. Its a fairly complicated piece that needs to fit the duVall right to work. It has some tabs that have to be tapped and also threaded into the windshield frame so it stays there at speed.  Might have to slice and dice on this a bit.   Plan is to have these powder coated in a satin black rather than plated which could cost potentially cost $1500---2500.  I got other uses for my  $$$$


mike lynch   madmike3434    8)
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on May 18, 2014, 01:27:46 PM
Not sure what site I saw these floor pans for sale on, but they're out of a 33 Chevrolet master 3 window. Apparently the guy who owned the 33 car for 40 + years ,  retired and dug out the coupe, took it to a rod shop to have built and they took the stock floor out and replaced it with a new floor.   As you can see this original floor is like new. 

Luckily for me I was going to new York state and these were just 30 minutes away from where I was going Rochester area.   Sent the seller the money and he generously  delivered them to my friends house .

What first caught my attention to it was the part that goes under the bench seat with the two tool storage areas, one shallow and one deep.  On my coupe I put my ron francis wiring panel into it for easy access.  I might do the same for the roadster depending on whether I use the stock bench seat or my  : 91 cutlass articulating power seats or the 96 Pontiac bonnieville power 9 way power seats.  Both barely fit width wise.

I also got the center floor panel that goes from just forward of the rear end up to a frame wood brace.  Previously in this thread I showed the rumble seat floor pan I re did, so I would not use this one.    The last piece runs from the rear end wood divider to the back of the car and has the 2 large water drain hole openings in the corners.  Note all the correct bracing pieces and how they are attached as stiffeners.  These can take a dip at the enviro tech metal stripper and their acid bath electrified system and will come out looking like brand new.  Take the bracing off using a spot welder cutter so it can be cleaned underneath.  Then the braces can be re-attached using button head allen heads.   

Will be 4 pictures in one post and 2 in a follow up

mike lynch  madmike3434   8)
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on May 18, 2014, 01:35:57 PM


the floor section from rear end towards back of car, note nice bracing on the floor panel.

I also finally got a stewart warner 2 5/8" motor minder vacuum gauge, NOS in the box .  ;D ;D   Nice period piece from the 60--70's era .

mike lynch  madmike3434    8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on June 22, 2014, 07:03:27 PM
Finally got my camera back from Fuji, unfortunately they could not fix the battery drain problem and for $135 shipped me a brand new  14 mega pixel  S-2980 model which is a big up grade on my S1000..

last couple of days finally getting  back to working on shazzbott my roadster.  Spent a day or so making a set of mounting brackets that will position the schroeder nascar type sway bar 7/8" 48 splines for the arms, onto my jaguar rear end.  this is a large .850 bar.  I also procured some used nascar team sway bar arms and those really trick custom milled brackets that hold the sway bar, it has urethane bushings for smooth working of the bar.. Got them as nascar team surplus also.

 I made the loop brackets that attach to the 3/4" round aluminum 6061 T-6 mounting bar that will attach under the frame rails to another pair of aluminum brackets.   

Next will have to get all those parts brackets welded to the 3/4" round bar, the fancy milled brackets have 3/8" holes in the for mounting, either as shown or reversed and mounted on the flat side.
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mike lynch    8)
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on June 22, 2014, 07:06:38 PM
a few more pictures

mike
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: ghost28 on June 23, 2014, 12:20:26 PM
Real nice.
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: logride on June 23, 2014, 02:17:53 PM
Great work! It will be interesting watching this come together.
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: TFoch on June 23, 2014, 08:09:23 PM
Should corner like a go-kart.
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on November 24, 2014, 08:32:35 PM
Finaly got something accomplished on shazzbott.  I took my $800 used gas tank cover panel for the 35 roadster to a restoration shop along with a fiberglass example of it , so that the guy could see exactly how the correct shape is.
It was determined at FAWCETT MOTORS here in whitby that the lower part of the panel was/is junk. Somebody ground away its strength and the lower part was all bumpy and un-repairable.  So Peter came up with a plan on how to repair it properly but isn't going to be cheap. That turned into 16 hours worth of labour using shrinkers, stretchers, English wheel and another machine that stamped the correct shape of the bottom into brand new metal. These were new dies Peter made to copy the original design struck in the metal.  That part got welded to the old panel after it had undergone some work.   

Everything worked out perfect except for the 2....1/2" holes that were drilled by somebody in the middle of the area where the spare tire carrier would sit.  After cutting out 2 filler pieces and welded them in, the top one is oil canning.  Hopefully Peter will be able to shrink this area so its right.

I took some pictures to show you of the finished part.  Plus also the rear cross member of the frame that the gas tank cover panel sits on.


mike      8)
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on November 24, 2014, 08:39:28 PM
Now onto pictures of the gas tank cover panel repaired.   I do not have the skills nor the proper equipment to be able to do this.

The picture #4 last one is showing the inside of the panel where the 1/2" holes were repaired and the oil canning is.

Back to their shop in the morning to take pictures of the 1903 Stanley steamer they are building, boy is it small, and to talk about where to go next on the oil canning.

the adventure with SHAZZBOTT continues

mike         8)
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: TFoch on November 24, 2014, 08:49:45 PM
Nice sheet metal work :)  Hope you can solve the oil canning.
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: 62131 on November 24, 2014, 09:00:04 PM
Looks good, almost like a nos replacement panel
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: chopper526 on November 24, 2014, 09:43:34 PM
Very nice metal work there, Mike. You have to be very happy with that.
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: sixball on November 24, 2014, 09:51:44 PM
Wow, That is a complicated piece. It sure would be nice to have the original dies and something big enough to smack them together. Good job of knowing what is beyond you and finding someone who can do it. Well done.  8)
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on November 24, 2014, 10:40:29 PM
yes that's always the trick in deciding whether something can be reproduced.  Is there enough people out there wanting a 1933 standard or a 1934 1935 Chevrolet standard series " gas tank cover panel ".  Too make the tooling would be prohibitive unless those guys that make the rear panel for the 35 master and 36 std and master Chevrolet took it on.

The biggest problem is can you make & sell 1000 of them to lower the cost overall. ???  I figure the panel cost me $800, another $100 to techno strip it of paint and rust.....another 16 hours at $80 per to repair it.  That equals one very expensive "gas tank cover panel ".  But I see it as money well spent to have a good all steel car.

I don't have deep pockets , I do have an excellent line of credit , on which I make monthly payments from my old age pension, to a very low interest rate.

keeps me out of trouble.

mike          8)
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: ghost28 on November 25, 2014, 08:46:33 AM
The car ought to be nice when finished. You are doing it right.
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: sixball on November 25, 2014, 11:55:52 AM
I often wonder where the line is between " I just can't afford to do it the way I want to." and "I'll had this built for this season, I'm having a roadster built for next year." The second comment I actually heard from a guy with a beautiful '37 Chevy coupe with a 302 GMC. He could not tell me anything about the car except the color and how much it cost. I wanted to get Mike to hit him with his hockey stick. ::)
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: chopper526 on November 25, 2014, 01:29:49 PM
It must be nice, I guess, to have so much money to just have a car built for you...NOT! If that's your mentality I don't think you are really a car guy, you are a collector. I think the fun is designing, planning, fitting, and saving up the money to complete a project. There is great satisfaction and pride in building something with you own hands, and if it's great or crap it's still yours.
On my car it was one step at a time, baby steps, sometimes doing and redoing. Great fun and a learning experience with the help of guys like you out there.
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on November 25, 2014, 03:28:45 PM
It must be nice, I guess, to have so much money to just have a car built for you...NOT! If that's your mentality I don't think you are really a car guy, you are a collector. I think the fun is designing, planning, fitting, and saving up the money to complete a project. There is great satisfaction and pride in building something with you own hands, and if it's great or crap it's still yours.
On my car it was one step at a time, baby steps, sometimes doing and redoing. Great fun and a learning experience with the help of guys like you out there.

As I explained in another post...........I want the car the way I want it BONDO FREE.   There are some things I cannot do and the repair of the rear gas tank cover panel is #1 on that list.  The antique machinery and tooling used to repair the panel are worth 1000 times what I paid to have someone who knows what he is doing , use them.

Some times you have to be smart enough to realize you do not have a hope in hell of being able to repair the part properly. !!!!!    Sure buying a glass one is easy, still have the one I used to run I bought in 1972 and took off in 1980 when I found a NOS one.  Those days of finding apart like that again are long gone.

Finding and building a 1934-1935 Chevrolet roadster has been a dream of mine since 1972, 2 years after I bought my 35 coupe. I have redone that car 3 times.  I have been acquiring 34-35 standard series parts since late 70's.

In closing,  let me say I am building this car on a pension of $850 a month after I pay for gasoline and other stuff.  I keep a $100 a month to buy coffee and sandwiches every Saturday for my welder friend rick and quality fresh vegetables for the 3 donkeys on his property.


I AM BUILDING this car.  Individual items I am not capable thru skill level or machinery are being made for me.  I don't like it, cannot afford it ,  but I have no choice, nobody I know has those tools & abilities other than the restoration shop.

My coupe got this way because I worked my ass off on it every year since 1970 thru 3 rebuilds.

mike.......................... 8)
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: chopper526 on November 25, 2014, 04:52:07 PM
Yes!! That's what I'm talking about Mike. Great for the guy who has the interest and pride to do it himself. Anyone with money can buy one!
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: sixball on November 25, 2014, 05:56:36 PM
Mike I think you took my comment the wrong way.  I was admiring the exact traits you have shown in your builds. The coupe is a beauty and a work of love for sure. No doubt the roadster will be too. I am on a pretty tight budget myself and as a result I've been gathering the parts for my '26 roadster since  the late 70s. I have planned the build so that most of it fits within my skill level but some things have to be farmed out. I was simply wondering what it would be like for us not to have to worry about how much something cost. I wonder if we would feel the same about our cars if we could afford to have someone do the work. I doubt it. I think we like knowing that we came up withe the ideas and we made them work. I think we like the praise we get from other guys who have done the same thing but on the other hand we don't need that. it is the praise we give ourselves that matters. We know all the details. We are the only ones who can get that special feeling when we drive them. :)
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on November 25, 2014, 06:08:52 PM
Yes Chop, but its always nice to have those pro built cars by :  boyd coddington.......lil john buttera , chip foose, troy trepanier and others who have built serious eye candy for wealthy owners who have neither the skills or inclination to take up wrenches and welders.  They are busy making $$$$$$$$$ to afford those toys. 

 Those custom builders  ( boyd et all ) changed the face and more so the style & trends of street rodding.  Too slick smooth and billet laden.     Took resto rod style of the 70's  : rad ornaments...bumper guards......no chop...luggage rack...cowl lamps...wire wheels and regular colours and killed it off for smooooth and low.

Would the 35 chev master THE GRAND MASTER ever have a shot at winning the prestigious Ridler award in Detroit if it wasn't for foose & troy trepanier building the car for Wes Rydell , with a cost of $1.5 million.   When that was built you could not give away a 35-36 chevy master, nobody wanted them, that build changed the face of Chevrolets.

We can learn and get great ideas about how we want to build our cars and have them look.  I have seen & studied many of their ideas and am incorporating them into my build of shazzbott.  Nothing big, just subtle things like the main dashboard. Main dash would be gloss black , the gauge insert panel & glove box door would be satin black along with the stamped in pattern at the top.

Last winter at the 2014 Grand National Roadster Show the winner of the most prestigious 7 foot trophy awarded too the AMERICAS MOST BEAUTIFUL ROADSTER.........if you do not know , it was a 1935 Chevrolet standard series PHAETON one of 263 ever built .  First time a Chevrolet has won this grand award.

I have studied many many pictures of this car, its subtlety , fit , finish and overall appearance is MAGNIFICANT.  The cost to build this car is unknown, but the owner is on the road driving it, as it should be.

Can any of us on this site build a car to this level,  to compete for that award.......????  No idea and probably 99% of us don't care.

 We can learn from the high dollar builds  !!


 mike----------------- 8)
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on November 25, 2014, 06:18:59 PM
I often wonder where the line is between " I just can't afford to do it the way I want to." and "I'll had this built for this season, I'm having a roadster built for next year." The second comment I actually heard from a guy with a beautiful '37 Chevy coupe with a 302 GMC. He could not tell me anything about the car except the color and how much it cost. I wanted to get Mike to hit him with his hockey stick. ::)

SIXBALL..........when they do not know what the rear gear ratio is and a lot of other pertinent info.........trans type other than stick or auto, he bought it and is embarrassed your probing him..     I know these guys running around with near show cars , all puffery. Take to cruise nite, put car cover on at home, spend all day before next cruise nite,  detailing hell out of it.  And of coarse they just have to park in the POWER PARKING AREA so everybody moving around will see their purchase and tell them how nice their car is.   I swear the guys who do this gather after a cruise nite and have a circle jerk.

Sixball your building a very unique car and I am giving you 2 thumbs up in approval.

When I played my specialty was the BUTT end with the stick to the morons.

mike         8)

mike
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on November 25, 2014, 06:26:39 PM
Yes!! That's what I'm talking about Mike. Great for the guy who has the interest and pride to do it himself. Anyone with money can buy one!

Yes CHOP, and you will get a full 6 days of people with money buying cars at the barettt Jackson auction in Arizona in January.  You will hear the commentators gasping into their microphones how " you could not build that car for half of that".  Watch for those cars to appear at a cruise nite or show near you with the new owner all bedecked out in his Hawaiian shirt aka coddington, spouting about his car.  Don't ask him anything technical about the car he might have a heart seizure.   Trying to avoid the answer.

mike         8)
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: chopper526 on November 25, 2014, 06:41:48 PM
Yup, you're right, B.J. is great to watch but way over my head, and that's ok. But you are also right about learning something from the big buck build. My 5 window was my first attempt at building a hot rod. I got alot of good advice and ideas from guys like Moose, Ghost, TFoch. I was going for a more traditional look because, to me, it is a meaner look, is easier to build, it's less expensive to build. Anyway, I accomplished what I was shooting for and I love the car.
The next one I want build something more intricate and contemporary. I don't ever expect to compete with anyone on this site let alone Foose, Coddington etc.. I'm just having fun. :)
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on November 25, 2014, 07:17:18 PM
by your picture avatar on the side , I would say your building a 50's up to late 60's style street rod, very popular even today. A ton of these cars were built , put away in garages until found by somebody and restored to that look.
 Its never gone away !!!!!!!!!

These cars were supplanted by the resto rod style .

Childhood friend bob is busy with his first street rod a 31 model a pickup....chopped 4", channeled over the frame 6", bed shortened 9--12 " ?  SBF 302 in it, frame stretched 7".   Its the way they built them back in early 60's, but would have had another motor. He bought it without motor and trans.

  I also go there and yak yak with him and wife giving him direction on how to fix things and make styling moves suggestions.  His pickup bed sides are real tough, so I suggested to him to use those side panel raised up stampings for patterns to apply cherry wood over top to disguise all the rough panels.  Its the easiest solution to cover up the problems he is facing with the pickup bed.  Plus will save him a lot of time and look good too.

Couple of weeks ago he fired it up and drove it down driveway and along the street.  He still has the grin on his face !!!!!!!!!!!!!!    ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


mike       8)

mike
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on December 13, 2014, 10:55:04 PM
Beavering away on my 35 Chevrolet chassis, I have found a simple way to fill about 25--34 extra holes in EACH of the sides of the frame rails,  holes that are not needed.  For the life of me I cannot figure out why the frame has all these extra holes in the sides.  Must have held some kind of brackets for cables ???

The tool is called a ROTABROACH, it cuts perfectly round slugs out of 12 gauge steel plate.  Note the spring loaded pin in the middle of the cutter, stops the slug from getting jammed inside the cutter.  Also note there is not a drill bit hole like used on a hole saw , which you would also have to fill , in the slug.   These come out without a hole in them. 

 Place the slug into the frame hole that has been opened up to match the INSIDE DIAMETER of the rotabroach cutter.  See the tape and writing of inside drill sizes on the box insides.  Drill the hole to matching size and then take the tapered rotary file and slightly countersink the edge.  Place a piece of aluminum or copper behind the slug and tack weld the slug into position.   I am TIG welding the slugs.  Using a flapper disc refinish the surface of the frame where welded.   I also bought some 2" flapper discs that go on an arbor for inside the frame to be smoothed.  I will use a 90 degree head air die grinder .

last year I went to visit a friend DON, in next housing area south of me and he introduced me to his very trick drill press.  The drill press uses SNOWMOBILE TECHNOLOGY of just 2 pullys to get the drill press to run from 480---3000 rpm. , just by pulling the handle on the side. How do I know what the rpm is, simple its digital speed display.    Sure beats pulling the belts off on the top and switching them around for super slow 240 rpm, or max 3000 rpm. 

Here is how it works, the pictured close pully attached to motor is constant size, the other end opens the V where belt sits and closes it as you want to increase or decrease drill press rpm.  See the 2 pictures to see.  Pretty simple and so easy to use.

mike lynch................ 8)     building a 35 Chevrolet roadster
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on December 13, 2014, 10:57:13 PM
more pictures of top of drill press belt system

correction, the adjustable pully is attached to the motor drive.  This is the one that opens and closes to change spindle speeds .


mike       8)
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: ghost28 on December 14, 2014, 07:42:46 PM
That is a nice setup.
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: chopper526 on December 14, 2014, 09:00:43 PM
That rotabroach is sweet, Mike.
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on December 14, 2014, 10:11:25 PM
CHOPPER , the rotabroach is one of those neat tools you might only use one or twice and if purchased for right money on ebay........think was around $24, it justifies the purchase.  My intention was to get a tight fit on the rotabroach made slugs into the frame holes and tig weld them without the use of filler rod.  I was trying to fuse the 2 pieces ...slug and frame together.   Did not work out that way unfortunately.   Other than my friend rick the welder showing me the tool set , I did not even know it existed.

GHOST, I was really impressed with my friend DON's drill press and discovered it was very pricey and the seller here,  canadian tire had stopped carrying them and had cleared out the stock the previous month.   Searched all the stores in a 100 mile radius, all gone.

 Tried a thing called KIJIJI, and bingo , FOUND ONE AT THE TOP OF THE STREET after a month of looking.   In the mean time I found a home depot type store RONA...and they were going out of business and they carried one was 1/2 price so I bought it and when the used one came up I bought that too. So now I got 2 of them, one is in basement for jobs down there.   Its a great tool and you feel that its money well spent, with simple movement of the side arm it goes from 480 rpm  all the way to 3000 and everything in between.  I still use my more powerful 16 speed belt drive 6 foot high drill press.  I just don't change the speed.

Right now on ebay I am watching a tool sale for a oxy/acy shutoff valve.  You hang the torch onto an arm and it shuts off the gas, then when you want to use it again you lift it off and pass the torch over the units pilot light and bingo, no need to play with the settings on the torch.  How cool is that. Saw it used years ago in the body shop that was repairing my front fenders, never forgot how good it was.

prices are all over the place.........I am looking at around $140 .
mike
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on January 04, 2015, 05:21:09 PM
Got one off ebay for $136.50 awaiting its arrival. Will have to build a separate stand to mount it on and a base 36--40" high.

Its going to come in handy when I heat up the frame side rails to take out the low spots.

mike            8)
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on April 07, 2015, 05:19:41 PM
Spring is in the air, temps going up , time to take the 35 Chevrolet standard frame , that's sitting in front of my garage doors and dismantle it. Plus take all the stuff that was piled on top for last 2 years , off.

So 3 trips to the recycling dump later , all the wood, foam mattress, 35 front axle with brakes, front and rear springs get disposed of and assorted other stuff.

Here we have a 35 standard series frame and it has approximately 189..... 3/8" steel rivets holding it together.

After firing up the 5" grinder with a new flapper disc , I proceed to take the rivet head down even with the frame.  Then , with a 1/2" long drift tapered down to 3/16"  top ,  whack the rivet head that's left driving it out.  After you go front to back on one side then switch over too the other, finally flipping the frame over , bottom side up.  When all the rivets are removed the 14 frame pieces can be pulled apart and placed into storage in the garage.

It appears that somebody has been doing some crazy driving and actually cracked the frame on both sides right where the back mount of the front springs are attached.   You can see what passes for welding actually covering the crack, yet the crack cannot be viewed on the inside of the frame.

 This is going to be a consult Mr Rick the welder about how to brace this properly before taking the weld off the surfaces and doing it right.   This will be a spare frame just in case anything happens to my 35 coupe or roadster. 

The inner part of the X member front has had somebody hacking away to install a hydraulic master cylinder to the pedal assembly.  Luckily I have one on the chassis that's going under the roadster to copy and repair.  I also have another front inner x piece to cut up to get those nice flared holes.

So here is some pictures of the various areas showing unexplainable damage. ????  Somebody who did all this damage in either Argentina or Kentucky , should have a foot in the nards.

mike       8)
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on April 07, 2015, 05:23:42 PM
more pictures
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on April 07, 2015, 05:26:01 PM
and more pictures
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: chopper526 on April 08, 2015, 09:02:19 AM
Not so bad, Mike. I think that's a beefy frame, you could fix that up.
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: 62131 on April 08, 2015, 06:11:31 PM
Now Mike lets not make the boys from Kentucky mad. As you should not talk about others talents and ass u me someone from Kentucky did the damage.
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on April 08, 2015, 07:49:16 PM
Unfortunately I do have to assume that the damage was done in tenn / ky as that's where the car when imported from Argentina back in 1990 era spent all its time until I purchased it in 2012.

Plus the moron father and son team whom I spent talking to and asking very specific questions for over an hour each, lied to me like Nixon did about everything.

"No bondo in fenders" they each said, well they had 1/2" thick bondo on top and 1/4"--3/8" of tar brushed underneathe. And on and on and on.  They went to the dump as un-saveable.  The rumble seat lid was made out of angle iron with sheet metal formed over it that was coated with 3/8"---1/2" thick.  Too raise up low areas they whacked the inside of the lid with an arc welding CHIPPING HAMMER.

BASICALLY ALL THAT SURVIVES OF THAT CAR IS THE ORIGINAL CHASSIS, THE BODY ITSELF MINUS A RUMBLE LID, THE ROADSTER TOP HARDWARE AND THE WINDSHIELD.

Maybe it was the Kentucky guys, maybe it was the Tennessee guys, maybe it was the Argentina guys........whoever did this mess should be kicked in the nards and have both arms removed at the shoulder so they could never damage a vintage Chevrolet again .

I rest my case of hate and am heading off to my anger management session !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


mike.................................... 8)
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: 62131 on April 08, 2015, 08:28:50 PM
Good luck in your session, I understand you being upset about being lied to but blaming someone and not sure who is at fault is just wrong. I also hate to see a car damaged ,but its up to guys like us to put them back the best we can as everybody doesn't have the love or caring of these works of art as I call them. 
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on April 08, 2015, 09:59:00 PM
just for the record I have had more trouble buying parts for my cars from Kentucky and tenn ,  that I end up being unhappy with.

No personal slight intended , but there is some dishonest people in that area.

A guy on the dealers list here, dale stevens in Frankfort KY selling on ebay under the name DESOLDCAR is one.

I am directly pointing the finger at him and other Chevrolet owners 34-35 I know are not happy with their dealing' s with him at all.


mike lynch........... 8)
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: themoose on April 09, 2015, 08:51:51 AM
Mike ...I don't think you can condemn a particular region or area just because you've had poor dealings with a couple of individuals from that location.  I'm sure there are any number of people who could tell us about positive transaction from those same areas. Like all things in life, its the luck of the draw. If your neighbor is a bank robber that doesn't make you one... I've found in general that most people try to do the right thing.

Moose
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: 62131 on April 09, 2015, 07:34:35 PM
Moose I agree, but since Mike has had bad dealings with Mr. Stevens from Frankfort Ky. now the word is out and people will be apprehensive about purchasing  parts from him.
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster, new rear window
Post by: madmike3434 on August 24, 2015, 05:36:11 PM
Was looking at my MAIL SLOT rear roadster window frame that the ford guys use and questioned a couple of them at recent meets about seeing out of that mail slot rear window.  Their response is that they cannot see hardly anything but they look cool, agreed.  But I like to watch whats coming up behind me so I can take evasive action if I have too.

I started out with an original old stock 33--35 chevy closed car glass rear window , same as whats in my 35 std coupe.  Made a template out of cardboard, then cut that down by 4" end to end and then sliced 1 1/4" out of the top to bottom.  From there I constructed a 1/8"  thick Masonite/brownboard template.  I got to get out the :  bandsaw,  drill press, 6x48 belt sander and the rigid belt sander on its side.  Too smoooooth all those edges

I took the pattern to a place that does high pressure water jet cutting . To my dismay the system does not use a tracer to put the shape needed into the computer and the pattern had to be hand drawn.......yikes.

I used 1/8" aluminum on the top and bottom pieces and 1/4" thick in the middle, like a sandwich.  The middle will be same thickness as the laminated glass.  I determined that a spacing of 4" between 10/32 countersunk allen heads.  Out comes the special drill bit and the tap and the aluminum tapping fluid.

After everything was screwed and tapped together, I got to use the various belt sanders and drum sander to smooth the inside and the outside edges because it was not a smooth edge as I had built into the pattern for the water jet .   

 After I spent 2 ......6 hour days refining the edges I took it apart and did the 1/4" inner aluminum piece so the glass guy can cut and fit the glass to the inner part.

I based the roadster rear window size by visually looking at my coupes roof with window and figuring out how much smaller I can make it and still have a high rear visibility out thru it.  I need to figure out how to round over the sharp edges without interfering with the countersunk Allen heads.

When the glass comes back with the frame I am going to try to find somebody that still does old time cutting in the flowers in the glass.  A 60--70's open car trend.

mike lynch
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster pt 2
Post by: madmike3434 on August 24, 2015, 05:38:51 PM
a few more pictures of the rear window.

The window frame will be sanded with a vibrator with 400 grit paper on it and eventually powder coated a satin black or stainless steel colour

mike
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: sixball on August 24, 2015, 05:48:16 PM
Nice work! That will look great.
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: vette59jdwl on August 24, 2015, 07:03:02 PM
MadMike3434  I like the looks  who cares if you can see out the back or not  It would be way cheaper to install a permanent camera and about a 7 inch dash cam.  Now Your Talking Man  vette59jdwl
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: 62131 on August 24, 2015, 07:06:12 PM
Mike I like what I see, can't wait to see it installed.
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on August 24, 2015, 07:46:00 PM
I have a mail slot rear window for your 32 chev out of a 60--80 jaguar with glass.

price is right $50

mike lynch
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: 62131 on August 24, 2015, 08:32:31 PM
Do you care to post a few pictures?
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Post by: chopper526 on August 25, 2015, 11:36:08 AM
That looks real nice, MadMike, and it will certainly do the trick.
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on August 26, 2015, 10:35:49 AM
Do you care to post a few pictures?

Was cleaning out my pictures files onto a cd-r and found I had 3 shots already, saves me some work.  When I bought it there was a tag saying it was for a jaguar. I bought all new countersunk allen head 6---32 screws for it . Size is 24 3/4" long by 6 7/8 wide.

mike lynch   mike350@rogers.com
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on October 31, 2015, 06:08:39 PM
shazzbott is going to get an aluminum carter wind shield from Australia.

 A carter is a similar design to a Duvall, but totally engineered and manufactured by tony Carter in Australia.    Its made in aluminum instead of silicon bronze and its made specifically for 1934-1935 Chevrolet standard series roadsters and tourings.

Here is a few pictures of the unit ready to ship to me.

mike
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: vette59jdwl on October 31, 2015, 08:46:51 PM
Mike that sure is a radical windshield where do the wipers go  vette59jdwl
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: 62131 on October 31, 2015, 08:54:33 PM
Rainx plus wipers  does not equal roadster  ;) HEHE
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on November 01, 2015, 01:10:04 AM
electric boat motor wipers go on standard top location, ron francis wire works actually makes a special adaptor bracket for it.


Yes, Rain -X is best product to use if not using a wiper.

I have an original molds silicon bronze Duvall windshield I will be selling in January.  Have to figure out if its a 32 ford or a 33--34, or a 35-36 ford roadster by the width.  The chevy apparently is 4 " wider than a 32 ford.

mike     8)
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: ghost28 on November 01, 2015, 09:18:49 AM
I like the looks of that frame.
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Post by: chopper526 on November 02, 2015, 10:33:24 AM
I like that, madmike. How do you finish it, polish?
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on November 02, 2015, 11:57:04 AM
The Carter windshield is made in aluminum.  It can be polished, it can be powder coated , or it can be painted with an etching primer that is compatible with aluminum.  Or it can be chrome plated using copper, nickel , chrome.

The paint on car will be black high gloss polished nitrocellulose lacquer.  For the windshield I would powder coat it in a satin black for a different look.  The 35 chev tub that won the grand national roadster show in 2014 had a bunch of parts and firewall, luggage rack in that satin black and I thought , damn , I like that. So will do it.  Thats the plan anyway

see if I can find a picture of it,,,,,,,,2 more pictures one showing satin flat black firewall and satin black luggage rack against the black lacquer paint on body.   The rack has since been painted a red shade to match red on body......UGLY
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: vette59jdwl on November 02, 2015, 01:14:15 PM
Mike talk about dreaming That car is in all probability around 200,000 US dollars and by the way that is not  no ROADSTER that is a Pheaton.  vette59jdwl
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: chopper526 on November 02, 2015, 03:15:50 PM
The Carter windshield is made in aluminum.  It can be polished, it can be powder coated , or it can be painted with an etching primer that is compatible with aluminum.  Or it can be chrome plated using copper, nickel , chrome.

The paint on car will be black high gloss polished nitrocellulose lacquer.  For the windshield I would powder coat it in a satin black for a different look.  The 35 chev tub that won the grand national roadster show in 2014 had a bunch of parts and firewall, luggage rack in that satin black and I thought , damn , I like that. So will do it.  Thats the plan anyway

see if I can find a picture of it,,,,,,,,2 more pictures one showing satin flat black firewall and satin black luggage rack against the black lacquer paint on body.   The rack has since been painted a red shade to match red on body......UGLY

I like the satin black, perfect choice, I think!
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on November 02, 2015, 04:24:46 PM
Mike talk about dreaming That car is in all probability around 200,000 US dollars and by the way that is not  no ROADSTER that is a Pheaton.  vette59jdwl

Yes wes rydells car is a phaeton , not a pheaton , and under the GNRS ( grand national roadster show ) rules it qualifies , by being an open car,  made prior to 1937.   There was a whole pile of chatter online about its status, and street rodder mag got into it with all the talk.

mike
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on November 02, 2015, 04:28:37 PM
The Carter windshield is made in aluminum.  It can be polished, it can be powder coated , or it can be painted with an etching primer that is compatible with aluminum.  Or it can be chrome plated using copper, nickel , chrome.

The paint on car will be black high gloss polished nitrocellulose lacquer.  For the windshield I would powder coat it in a satin black for a different look.  The 35 chev tub that won the grand national roadster show in 2014 had a bunch of parts and firewall, luggage rack in that satin black and I thought , damn , I like that. So will do it.  Thats the plan anyway

see if I can find a picture of it,,,,,,,,2 more pictures one showing satin flat black firewall and satin black luggage rack against the black lacquer paint on body.   The rack has since been painted a red shade to match red on body......UGLY



I like the satin black, perfect choice, I think!

Me too, never entered my brain to do,  until I saw it on that phaeton.  When you get the brains of chip foose, troy trepanier and others of that level involved , some new and great ideas come out .

Still hate the custom made aluminum wheels , which got its design from the horn cover on a 32 chevrolet

mike
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: chopper526 on November 02, 2015, 05:46:16 PM
No, not a fan of the wheels on the phaeton, but I like the wires on the roadster.
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on November 02, 2015, 08:16:48 PM
wires on 32 ford roadster , page 5 , are either Dayton triple cross, or Borrani wires as used on Ferraris .

you see a set of Borrani wires show up on ebay every once in a while.  The Daytons are a fairly new design and can be made in any size 13" thru 20" rims, maybe more ?  Pricey too !

mike            8)
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on January 01, 2016, 12:41:44 PM
been beavering away last couple months on the roadster rumble seat floor assembly.  This floor panel design is common to rumble seat cars only as I found out.

Took floor pan to enviro tech strippers who dip the part to remove paint and anything else , then goes into acid bath to remove all the rust .  Well holy swiss cheese is what I got back.   The only area that was salvageable was the rear part that sits over the rear end.  I went to a metal shop that bent up the main floor pan and 2 side pieces.  Friend rick has a gas MIG and it got welded up. Lots grinding and filing on welds to smooth it up.  The support stiffener braces were un spot welded, holes filled and new pairs drilled so they can be mounted to the panel.

After coats of eastwood etching primer, eastwood high build primer and finally their extreme chassis black top coat its painted both sides now. Its sitting in garage with heat set to 80 for next 48 hours while it cures.

Here is some pictures of the ordeal.
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on January 01, 2016, 12:44:45 PM
more pictures of the redo of the floor pan.
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on January 01, 2016, 12:51:01 PM
finally done with the backside , we turn our attention to the top show side freshly painted at 9 pm new years eve.

Last thing to do after the 48 hours cure time is to attach the whatever amount of 10/32 stainless button head bolts that hold the braces/stiffeners to the underside of the panel, with a touch of anti seize to the bolts and nylocks.
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: sixball on January 01, 2016, 01:43:26 PM
WOW, Nice work.
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on January 01, 2016, 02:27:15 PM
while I was beavering away on the rumble seat floor I also got involved with the rear frame crossmember.

This was an exercise in my patience and perseverance .  I used eastwoods acid etching primer as the base after I had the panel blasted inside and out with 80 grit.  From there ir was multiple coats of eastwoods poly high fill primer.  Sand and sand and sand .  Think its ready , LMAO, there was still pock marks in the primer, so out comes the spot putty and away we go. Sand and sand and sand some more, more high build primer and sand that too.  Not just doing one side here folks, doing it underside also.  This seemed to go on and on forever.  Finally I think I got it nailed, NOPE, wiped it down with silicon wax polish and grease remover, WHAT THE HELL, where did those pin holes come from.  Out comes sheets of 240 and then 320 and a flexible block.  GOT IT, wiped it and finally ready to spray.......did it and 48 hours later its cured.  Flip it over and reverse mask it and spray the inside. 

From friends dropping around, "why you spending so much time on that crossmember , its under the body" .  Simply it was there and needed to be done my way.

** Short story....a guy approached me about buying my coupe, wanted to trade me an extremely well done 53 chev.  A friend did the trade instead for his 26 t coupe.  2 years later I run into him and he has the 26 coupe there and its unbelievable, ended up a full centerspread in one of the mags in 80's .  I am looking this 26 over and I am amazed at the total quality.  Then I look underneath and its spotless , except for the rear end,.,  He just blasted the rear and left all the pock marks in it.  I pointed it out to him as considering the quality of the car he missed or fluffed it off.
Next spring pierre is back and he is yelling at me from the top of a trailer, lynchie , lynchie, come here.  So I go over, ya whatcha want...........look underneath he says, so I get down and that rear end is like a sheet of glass, I say why didn't you do that first time  ??  He laughed I laughed.

Next step to get the frame X member parts and use the air chisel to get the MIG weld splatter off the insides and take it too the blaster to get an even surface to apply etching primer .

The adventure continues........mike lynch
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on January 01, 2016, 02:27:40 PM
4 more pics

I also removed the stamping draw marks on the rearmost part, inside and out, to give it that smoothness.

I am more than happy to say bye bye to this panel

mike lynch         8)
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: sammons on January 02, 2016, 11:15:27 AM
That's some nice work Mike. Really looks good.
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: ghost28 on January 02, 2016, 11:31:35 AM
You and a good friend of mine have the same attention to detail. Looks good
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on January 02, 2016, 06:17:52 PM
thanks guys, its amazing what you find when you take pictures of something and load it into your computer files.

like holy crap batman where did those 2 pock marks come from, gimmi the spot putty and away we go. 

I might have to check into the rubber room a couple of times before this is car is over and done.

mike ....... 8)
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3435 on March 30, 2016, 01:46:52 PM
SHAZZBOTT...........my 1935 Chevrolet roadster, another piece gets worked on.

Took my cowl section up to Fawcett Motors to get repaired and to fit my austrailian Carter duvall style windshield to it.  Well Shazzbott is one tough piece, virtually everything on the body has been damaged in some way.  On the cowl section top you can see the extent of the damage that was covered over with 3/8" of plastic fill to hide the holes.  The cowl vent area is especially rusted out and not sure if the area could be repaired to have a working cowl vent.

So as you can see in the second set of pictures , the new panels have been formed and welded in , along with the windshield posts holes are also filled .   Note the beautiful  bead roll that perfectly matches the stock one.  This was first formed partially on an English wheel  According to Peter the body guy the hardest part was getting the metal on the other side of the bead to fold over.  An oak collar that ties the two wood door posts , slips under the fold over and it gets nailed to the wood.

Now the Carter duvall aluminum windshield frame from Australia can be fit to the cowl top.  Unfortunately the windshield is going to have to be narrowed 3/4--1" per side to get a perfect tight fit against the top of the cowl.  Apparently the HOLDEN australia chevrolet roadster cowl is 2" wider than the north American stamping.  Peter at Fawcetts has a retired GM of Canada welder retired he uses for such things as aluminum.  Contrary to what they say , aluminum is not easy to do.

mike lynch.................
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3435 on March 30, 2016, 01:49:01 PM
The cowl panel repaired and filled with new metal, next step metal finishing.

mike lynch   
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: vette59jdwl on March 30, 2016, 01:52:56 PM
Looking good mike   i never knew that your cowl was that much worse than mine  Mine looks like almost brand new compared to that hunk  lol lol vette59jdwl
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3435 on March 30, 2016, 02:09:21 PM
the cowl panel was and is brutal.  Moisture got trapped under the metal top and the wood structure and caused it to rot out.  Not sure whether the mad bondo-ing was done in Argentina or Alabama.

The sides need serious repair on one side as it was bashed in an 1" or so and bondo filled, the other side needs the side mount arm hole filled, its a big 1 1/4 to 1 1/2 " hole.

Too make sure the curvature to the side of the panels match the door skins I took those up also to him as guides for fitting altering.

mike lynch    8)
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: FATnLOW on March 30, 2016, 02:32:26 PM
Mike...Nice looking  and   excellent job  ..   very good skills  with the metal work
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: chopper526 on March 30, 2016, 10:50:06 PM
Sure looks like a pretty nice job especially considering what they had to work with.
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3435 on March 31, 2016, 12:05:54 AM
same shop that did the rebuild of my 34-35 chevy gas tank cover panel.  I covered that 6 months ago in my SHAZZBOTT thread. They , Fawcetts Motor car co, have the skills , the tools and the old school machinery .

I am lucky to have a shop with these kind of skills right in my small town.

The adventure of re-doing this car continues

mike lynch     8)
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: 62131 on March 31, 2016, 07:29:31 AM
looks great nice very nice job
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3435 on November 12, 2016, 09:18:29 PM
SHAZZBOTT the adventure continues.

just came back from a friend MIKE CAMPBELL of blackstock Ontario who has a small milling machine.  Left my 34- 35 std roadster firewall cover plate in 1/4" thick aluminum there to be machined.

my 35 coupe has similar idea but its way to busy with a lot of ball milling done in mid 90's.  This one I want a specialized milling pattern I have never seen before.

 I had the firewall plate and the tops of 4 weber carbs air cleaner tops cut out of a 4 ft x 4 ft 1/4" thick T6061 aluminum, cut out using a super high pressure water jet cutter.

After a day or so of cleaning up the edges it will be off to the powder coater to have the parts coated in SATIN BLACK .

here is what I have so far.

mike       8)
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3435 on November 12, 2016, 09:22:43 PM
a few more pictures

mike      8)
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: EDNY on November 12, 2016, 10:41:32 PM
Wow..great idea....
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3435 on November 13, 2016, 08:04:14 PM
hardest part is making the firewall pattern, especially the firewall indentation. Lots and lots of trimming the pattern .

If a place that does FLO JET water cutting is not close by..100 ?? miles, then I would look into having a LASER CUTTER used.

Not sure about a PLASMA CUTTER on aluminum ????  I do know that if your making a pattern for the plasma cutter, then you need to make the pattern 5/16" or so narrower so you get an exact fit.  Using 3/8 or 1/2 " MDF is a perfect FINAL pattern making material , to get a quality cut out.

mike  8)
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: EDNY on November 13, 2016, 11:09:49 PM
I cut aluminum sheet with my plasma cutter..
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3435 on November 14, 2016, 01:15:06 AM
CAN YOU CUT 1/4" OR 3/8"...?
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: EDNY on November 14, 2016, 07:18:38 AM
CAN YOU CUT 1/4" OR 3/8"...?

Have been cutting 1/16" aluminum sheets and suspect that 1/4" or 3/8" wouldn't be a problem, but I'm using an Eastwood 40 Amp plasma unit not the 60 amp version.

Noticed that the aluminum cuts aren't as "crisp" as the steel cuts if you know what I mean. If you ever used a grinder on aluminum you know what I mean - because it's softer it peels over and creates a slag that needs to be removed.
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: chopper526 on November 14, 2016, 08:49:03 AM
That looks great, madmike!!
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on June 03, 2019, 07:34:58 PM
have been neglectful on posting the goings on and progress on my 35 chevrolet roadster build called SHAZZBOTT.

The Tremec 6 speed, dual disc clutch, hydraulic throw out, scatter shield are all installed in my 35 chev std frame I had to open up in the X member.  Lots of creating strength back into that area.

Over last couple of months I have been playing with my vintage weber 48 IDF setup. Stripped white powder coating, bead blasted the 4 carbs and took a polished manifold and had it powder coated gloss black, carbs in satin black.  All AN hose is Russell black cloth and black anodized.  No more shiny braided stainless.

mike lynch
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on June 03, 2019, 07:37:37 PM
have been neglectful on posting the goings on and progress on my 35 chevrolet roadster build called SHAZZBOTT.

The Tremec 6 speed, dual disc clutch, hydraulic throw out, scatter shield are all installed in my 35 chev std frame I had to open up in the X member.  Lots of creating strength back into that area.

Over last couple of months I have been playing with my vintage weber 48 IDF setup. Stripped white powder coating, bead blasted the 4 carbs and took a polished manifold and had it powder coated gloss black, carbs in satin black.  All AN hose is Russell black cloth and black anodized.  No more shiny braided stainless.

I made an adaptor plate to adapt the weber IDA carb air cleaner to weber IDF carb and intake.  Those aluminum air cleaners are super rare and only a pure stroke of luck allowed me to find them.

I also have the six inch velocity stacks powder coated black

mike lynch
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on June 03, 2019, 07:43:15 PM
here is some more carb stuff.

Because the weber carbs do not have provision for a PCV valve nor a road draft tube I had to conjure up a breather system.  I spotted these little air filters on ebay from hong kong and came up with the idea of 4 of them across the front to take engine pressures off, no venting system your going to blow valve stem seals.

My Larson valve covers now have a AN-12 90 degree fitting that feeds up to the front thru that same black cloth hose.  I originally got the idea after seeing a Chevrolet big block can-am engine with 2 push on filters across the front.

just spent Saturday with my eastwood 200 ac/dc TIG welder, putting it all together and then high speed die grinder to shape the 4 tubes.  Almost ready to go to powder coater and be done in flat black

mike lynch
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on June 07, 2019, 09:55:03 PM
nothing like trying to tap aluminum with 1/2" pipe tap even with correct aluminum liquid to tap and then not having the absolute correct drill size of 23/32, alternate is 3/4 but its too small.  So off to ebay to hunt one down , just in case I have to tap 1/2" pipe again.

mike
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on June 13, 2019, 12:45:39 PM
further to tapping aluminum.   I found that altho one site said use a 23/34 drill to tap a 1/2" pipe thread I found another site that says use 45/64.  Interesting doing the subtraction, the 45/64 would be 1/64th smaller that the 23/32.    The alternate drill to use according to my printed sheet is 3/4".

So after my head stops spinning with all these fractions I decide I need to have a longer approach tube by 5".  So off to metal mart and luckily find a piece of 1/4" wall aluminum tube that the 1/2" pipe barely fits into.

Great now to use the 3/4" drill bit open the hole for tapping.  Install 1/2"pipe tap into holder,  slop liquid aluminum tap fluid all over it . LET THE FIGHT BEGIN, can go so far and just will not tap any deeper.  I get 1/2 way into hole and said has to , supposed to be easier than this.  1/4 turn blow chips off, more fluid and other 1/4 turn and on and on.  At this point something gonna get hurt. 

I take the 1/2" pipe tap and lay the 3/4" drill on it, then take the 13/16" drill on it, hey wait a minute here, this can work.  I load the 13/16 drill into a 1/2" electric hammer drill , mark 1/2 " up the drill bit with tape so only go so far.

Put the pipe tap back into the hole and go at it, hey this is working and putting out about 25% of the effort of before.  End result, the  1/2" pipe thread An12 fitting go into the hole at 90% of the thread inside which is what I am after.

Satisfied everything worked out fine, I do the other one.  All is peaceful now in Whitby

Sure I can find other stuff to drive me crazy.......LMAO
........madmike3434
Title: Re: RED a 1935 chevrolet standard phaeton
Post by: madmike3434 on October 27, 2019, 12:52:18 PM
My red 1935 Chevrolet phaeton is getting some updates.  Out with the 305 sbc TPI and 350 Th , and in with the crate ZZ383 450 HP and 700R4.  New sanderson headers and complete ss exhaust pipes and mufflers.  Brakes being converted to Wilwood 4 piston front and rears on full  1968 jag XKE suspension.  New booster and master cyl 15/16 bore vet plus a vacuum pump to maintain 18--21 inches of vacuum.

Had this firewall plate water jet cut out of 1/4" thick 6061-T5 aluminum 3 years ago and left blank.  Car has a stainless cover on it now.  So 2 months ago decided time to get it milled 1/8" deep.  As per usual "ya we can do that no problem , be ready next week just have to program mill ". 

So guess what 8 weeks later I get fed up and go and retrieve the panel.  Lay out the pattern  ,  drill 1 9/64" holes and begin zip cutting the slots.  Plan is to cut right thru and put a brass or copper backer behind it.  Take the aluminum and have it powder coated gloss signal red.   Really do not want a flat painted firewall so this is what I have come up with .


mike ....HAIRBALL
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on October 27, 2019, 01:04:18 PM
moved the pictures so I could post them
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on October 27, 2019, 04:39:08 PM
yes I realize "red firewall C " picture has a hole in wrong place too low.  The fix it plug is cut and ready to get TIG welded in.

Lesson.........when your really tired and ready to make mistakes, put drill press in off position and come back when your fully dialed in and thinking straight.

mike............HAIRBALL
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: EDNY on October 28, 2019, 08:39:21 AM
That aluminum looks sturdy...you must have a nice TIG.
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on October 28, 2019, 09:32:11 AM
I have an EASTWOOD 200 AC/DC  TIG .  They put them on sale every once in a while and you can get one below $700 .

When it comes to aluminum, try as a might and many bottles of argon trying to learn, my alum TIG welding sucks.  Luckily I have a friend who I watch like a hawk and he does it perfectly using my machine on 1/4" thick.   I think the 1/4" is at the max of this machines capability.    Steel no problem.

I bought a MIG aluminum gun but its still in the box.

mike..................HAIRBALL
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3434 on October 29, 2019, 05:11:13 PM
Got the copper backing plate back today from water jet cutter.  Had to use stainless cleaner and those green sanding pads for frying pans to get an even finish on it.
 Spoke to the powder coater about putting a satin or flat finish on the copper backing plate so it does not discolor.

Now to repair the aluminum surface and the drilled hole O corners then off to powder coating for a splash of signal red.  And all this takes time.

mike ...........HAIRBALL
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: RoarsRods on May 07, 2020, 05:36:39 PM
Dug up some pictures of madmikes Shazzbotts Chevrolet Roadster! RoarsRods
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: sixball on May 09, 2020, 12:27:21 PM
Nice, Was that the starting point?
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3435 on May 10, 2020, 02:04:04 PM
after owning my 35 3 window coupe  since 1970 I finally found the only pair of NOS running boards I have ever seen for sale.  This pair will end up on SHAZZBOTT the 35 roadster.

once when I went to look at a 34 roadster in early 80's the guy in western NY state had 12 pair of NOS boards and would not sell a pair. Was an amazing sight  back then. He had a 34 roadster for sale , a 1935 roadster he was finishing up, a 1934 Chevrolet master phaeton with absolutely every option imaginable in 1934. Lost his address . Wish I had bought that 34 roadster back then for the $8500.

mike lynch  8)


Interesting update on the runningboard story.  RORA member found a list in the roadster he is building and in that list book is my name and many others I supplied to his father as possible contacts.  The one burning question I had was "who was the guy in western NY state".  Well the list in book showed him, name address and telephone number.

One nite after I got that list I telephoned the guy and BINGO , he was still there same address.  Remembered my visit there about the 34 roadster .    My burning question was, exactly what was that 34 master open car, a phaeton or a convertible sedan as my memory was foggy after all these years.  Turns out they never produced either of these body styles in 1934 USA or Canada, the phaeton was an Australian HOLDEN GM built car.  It was brought to the USA by a minister/priest  returning from Australia  . Back then I was a neophyte in all things early 1933--36 Chevrolet .  Knew diddly about squat.

He has moved on from restoring 1933--1935 Chevrolet open cars.

MIKE LYNCH   HAIRBALL
Title: Re: SHAZZBOTT a 1935 chevrolet standard roadster
Post by: madmike3435 on May 11, 2020, 01:15:03 PM
Nice, Was that the starting point?

Yes that is what I purchased in 2012, those are pictures of ebay ad/auction.  Just far enough away to not raise any red flags.

That had so much bondo 3/8--1/2" thick and tar underneathe 1/4--3/8".  ZAs soon as the transporter opened the doors I knew this was going to get seriously bad.  Only thing saved was the cowl section, hood, doors, quarter panels , dash panel and windshield and top assembly, plus frame. Bumpers were also saved as were stock seats.

 Wrong motor + trans , 33 master got sold locally.  Trunk lid was metal formed over angle iron and bashed with a welders chipping hammer and bondo'd.

Once quarter panels were dipped and stripped I estimate at least $2500 to repair them properly.   Not sure if this car is ever going to get finished by me and would be for sale.

mike lynch      HAIRBALL
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