Rusty Bowtie
General Category => Early Chevy/GM Discussion => Topic started by: yellowbeard on April 29, 2013, 07:10:12 PM
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Still tearing it down. Joe
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here's a couple of pics.
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That's the easy part! Take plenty of pictures and it goes back together much easier. That fender looks to be in great shape.
Tom
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Looks like you have some great metal to work with! Keep us updated and we'll try to keep you motivated!
Ed
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yellowbeard
Thanks for the update.....One thing I did notice....You've got a mighty comfortable looking chair in the background. I hope that's just for your guests. 8)
Moose
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The chair is for the 52 inch tv in the shop. Gotta what the car shows, overhaulin, counting cars, car chasers, etc.
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Not only a comfy chair but there is some adult beverage cans on the table. A man gets thirsty out in the shop.
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got a little more done.
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motor 4.3 V6
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It's starting to come together. Is that the stock seat frame?
Moose
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Looks great!!! I don't know how some guys are able to move so fast. Keep the pictures coming.
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Looking great! Glad to see some progress.
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If you need any 4.3 parts (free)...I still have a rat pack collection of used parts for them....from my Astro van days. Always liked that engine...
Ed
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stock seat, but I did raise it about 3 in.
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trying to give you some pics. to look at. The interior is done with touge and groove wood, stained in red oak. Here's some more pics. Before and a little later. Thanks Joe
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some more updates. got my hood and rad. mounted
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yellobeard
Looking good...I like the tail lights.What are they from?
Moose
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got them off ebay, 40's or 50's chevy.
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Coming along and looking great.
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Coming together nicely... motivation in progress!
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It's looking good!
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here's a video, maybe it works. I think you just click on pic.
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a340/yellowbeard38834/th_31chevyvidio_zps8da50769.jpg) (http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a340/yellowbeard38834/31chevyvidio_zps8da50769.mp4)
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What's going on with that interior
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old chevy's had a lot of wood in them. Just continued the theme.
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old chevy's had a lot of wood in them. Just continued the theme.
That's pretty cool almost like driving around in a cedar closet, I like it.
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cost less than $100.00. but a lot of time.
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Nice work, thanks for posting the video. Car is coming along.
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got my master cylinder in and pedals mocked up. Some wiring done, and a oil and filter change.
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Did you buy a wire harness kit or are you doing it on your own?
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bought a universal wiring kit from Jegs.
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got master cyl. in. brake lines run and brakes bled. need to get drive shaft cut and fitted. Then maybe pull it out of garage under its own power.
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Then maybe pull it out of garage under its own power.
Getting close, that would be a major step. Nice work.
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got my carpet, pedals and shifter in. I'm getting there.
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Love that shifter knob!
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Hey yellowbeard...Somehow I missed your video that you posted awhile back but I just finished watching it...Very Cool.Tom mentioned your shift knob and I see you have a signal light lever knob to match...Nice touch. Keep those pic's coming.
Moose
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thanks guys, hoping to pull it out of the garage in a couple of weeks. Just trying to finish one or two things every weekend. Seems like the little things take the longest.
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Seems like the little things take the longest.
Don't know about you...but it seems that I never run out of those "little things"!
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got it ready to take to the exhaust shop. my first drive in a year. Good thing the exhaust shop is just down the road at my brother in laws shop.
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Were you driving it there open headers? The neighbors might hate you but I bet you had a smile from ear to ear!
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open headers, good thing his shop is 2 houses down. his house, and mother-in-laws.
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Love what your doing nice rid mine ,ok ours is under 5 feet of snow
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today, I was lucky it was 60 outside.
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Colder than a mother-in-law's kiss for the last week or two, very unseasonable. Even with the heater it just makes it tolerable. I can't get any real work done, I'm just trying to straighten and clean up.
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Looking good keep up the good work.
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Colder than a mother-in-law's kiss for the last week or two, very unseasonable. Even with the heater it just makes it tolerable. I can't get any real work done, I'm just trying to straighten and clean up.
Tell me about it....I spent about 4 hrs in the garage Sunday working on my Daughters boyfriends car and I nearly froze to death even with the heater on. Can't even go to Florida to escape the cold. They're even supposed to get some snow in the next few days. Best to sit by the fire and dream of spring. ;D
Moose
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Drove it to the shop. Need to adjust my brakes. Got the exhaust on. Got a trans line leak to fix. But I got it in 2nd. gear. WOO HOO
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got my exhaust on, started on the front fenders. Let it runs some and drove it a little.
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Yellowbeard,
Congrats on taking it for a ride. It takes a lot to get these old Chevy's back on the road. I'm sure you enjoyed the ride!
Tom
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Way to go...Like your wheels ...gonna have to find me a set like that
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Looking good, and no snow!
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That's great .....It won't be long now!!!
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been a while, Still hate the stock Mustang II front end. Got to be a way to fix it where I don't have to mod my fenders.
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I have never found a way to fit the front fenders without modification on that style front mustang 2 suspension. Come up with a good idea for all of us...John
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Now dont laugh to hard???I have a question has anyone put a crown victoria alluminum front end under an older chevy I dont want to cut my fenders either and sure would like to have a more modern front end.
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Now dont laugh to hard???I have a question has anyone put a crown victoria alluminum front end under an older chevy I dont want to cut my fenders either and sure would like to have a more modern front end.
I have a feeling the upper control arm, or hat of the suspension might still be in the way. I put the complete suspension from a 92 vette under a 32 chevy coupe. I had to modify the front fenders to be more like a 34 chevy to clear everything. It was a ton of work, but if you could find a set of newer fenders it might be easier. You will lose the 32 design on the front of the fenders.
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you can use a KUGEL front suspension or you can use a garry HEIDT'S frontm suspension, both of them will weld to the frame without having to cut into the fenders UGH !!!! look.
The mustang IFS does not work on the 33 and down style fenders.
here is some pictures of a KUGEL IN MY 35 STD COUPE FRAME.
mike
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here is some more pictures from the net on how the kugel or heidts front suspension attaches to the frame. Its does not interfere with the fender at all, on fenders that sit down on the frame. I think TCI and a few others might also make this same design, nothing in mustang 2 works that I am aware of.
Yes this system does actually cost real money, but it works and it fits. I put one in my coupe in 96 and its fantastic riding and handling. I also have the same system for the roadster , BUT, this time its unpolished and will remain that way. you can also get this with tubular A arms for a lot less .
mike lynch 8)
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Mad Mike 3434 I am about 100 miles east of you and i have a 32 chevy roadster that hasn't started yet .I like the idea of putting a newer independent front end under the front end rather than using a 54 chevy truck front end..But i have been flirting with using a crown vic P52 front end and cutting it in the center and shortening it will let you know the outcome.Car show GANANOQUE this week end will take pictures Tom
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I put a Kugel in my 32 and as Mike said below it's not cheap but it fits right and looks pretty good and it handles better that my wife's daily driver. I think it was well worth the money. Here are a couple of pictures I took during the build.
Moose
(http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq7/themoose524/Rusty%20Bowtie/Build/15_zps39cf16a9.jpg)(http://i428.photobucket.com/albums/qq7/themoose524/Rusty%20Bowtie/Build/26_zpsef20dc33.jpg)
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Mad Mike 3434 I am about 100 miles east of you and i have a 32 chevy roadster that hasn't started yet .I like the idea of putting a newer independent front end under the front end rather than using a 54 chevy truck front end..But i have been flirting with using a crown vic P52 front end and cutting it in the center and shortening it will let you know the outcome.Car show GANANOQUE this week end will take pictures Tom
Tom, if your going to be running stock fenders then I cannot see it working.. Your fenders sit right down on top of the frame rails. To cut those fenders and build boxes in them around this crown vic front end, in my opinion is sacrilegious .
Back in the 1960--1980 era people did this kind of hacking because for early chevys there was only tubular or beam axles that were too wide at 50" for our chevy cars. Then a whole pile of people discovered that the corvair front end would actually bolt in with brackets, even tho it was SUPER F-UGLY. They stuck them under fords and anything else where they could fit them. On a 32 style front fender where it was all exposed......BARF BARF.
Around 1968 somebody in California think it was kugel, maybe boyd cod or lil john buttera stuck a jag XKE independent front suspension on a 32 ford and that started the independent craze . Kugel made a kit to adapt it.
Demand dried up the supply of those and price started getting crazy, enter jerry kugel in the early 80's ??? who created his own independent front suspension, I showed pictures of above in a post. That was followed by gary heidt and slightly different version, same thing just dressed differently.
At one time some people started using a ford style cross member , cross buggy spring and dropped 5-6 " beam axles with hairpins or 4 bars , just like the ford guys. All that stuff is not cheap either. price it out.
The kugel or heidts will have correct coil spring rates for weight of your 32 roadster, not a 45--4800 pound CROWN VIC. It will have an Omni rack and pinion steering and be light and easy to steer and you will not need power steering. The disc brakes will be GM rotors with wilwood 4 piston aluminum calipers.
Before you start doing damage to your stock 32 chev frame take the time to think about it . ::) ::) ::)
or if you want to get seriously down in the weeds , then this 1940--54 chev 1/2 ton truck axle that is narrowed in a forge too 46" width and stretched 4 1/2" over stock by a California dropped axle company, MORDROP, not sure if still around, is for sale for $450 That's what used to be in my 35 coupe from 1980 - 1996 . Oh and by the way, you cannot get over a beer can lying on its side, unless you have tall 27--28" tires
mike 8)
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Thats a nice cowl moose and a nice looking set of headers but for the Best of ME moose i don't see no front end
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Thats a nice cowl moose and a nice looking set of headers but for the Best of ME moose i don't see no front end
The MOOOOSIE got distracted when focusing the camera and saw all those holes in the block, reminded him of a 1/3 of a dozen Tim Hortons glazed donuts, he just lost all focus. Easy to do when thinking about donuts.
That's my story and am sticking to it.
notice on what you can see of the upper control arms, is that he has the tubular style most likely powder coated for protection and much more reasonably priced than the investment cast stainless type kugel also produces.
mike lynch 8)
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My friend frank AGUECI who runs VINTAGE VEHICLE SERVICES at Gm Canada installed the kugel in his 1931 oldsmobile coupe with only a small modification to the fender braces .
Forgot he did that. :-[
mike 8)
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I used a TCI Front End and like the Kugel it wasn't cheap but fits under my fenders without any modification. I want it to handle well and let my daughter drive it so that's why I chose it.
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Thats a nice cowl moose and a nice looking set of headers but for the Best of ME moose i don't see no front end
vette59jdwl and madmike3434 if you don't have a wide screen monitor all you have to do is go to the bottom of the pictures that I posted and you will see a blue bar that you can click and drag to the left to pan the pictures to the right...You will be able to see the front end without problem....believe me its there ;)
Moose
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vette59jdwl and madmike3434 if you don't have a wide screen monitor all you have to do is go to the bottom of the pictures that I posted and you will see a blue bar that you can click and drag to the left to pan the pictures to the right...You will be able to see the front end without problem....believe me its there ;)
Moose
I can see it, nice front end Moose
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Strange thing juust happened i had it all typed out and pooof gone.I took pics of the front end my buddy just put under his 65 Ford half tone truck had to cut the p72 ford crown victoria frond end in half and cut one inch out of each side and sew it all back together for a total of two inches narrower.He has 7000 miles on it so far and says it rides like a dream. My idea was to take the 700 lb springs out of it and replace it with 400 lb springs.Ghost hit the nail on the head so to speak.My idea on that was to cut the springs two inches and cut the towers two inches,and put it all back together,not to sure how much i will have to cut out of the middle will have to size it up next week to tied up right now i included three pics of the bare unit i have kicking around.
If push comes to shove i will retain the 1954 chevy truck front end It has the same dimensions as the 1932 only difference is the size of king pins and juice brakes which i feel is a good thing
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vette59jdwl and madmike3434 if you don't have a wide screen monitor all you have to do is go to the bottom of the pictures that I posted and you will see a blue bar that you can click and drag to the left to pan the pictures to the right...You will be able to see the front end without problem....believe me its there ;)
Moose
i can see it, nice front end Moose
I TOTALLY MISSED THE BLUE BAR......... :-[
mike
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What blue bar
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Truck axles are also 2 inches lower than car axles
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Hey guys, it's been a while. but I put a set of aftermarket upper A arms on my stock mustang II front end. I think I'm going to have room for my fenders without notching them.
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Looks like a nice clean setup.
Moose
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Nice work, that'll be great if you don't have to notch the fenders.
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got a few dents in the front fenders, got them to fix then I'll be ready to put them back on the car.
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31 coming together. got all body panels fitting pretty good. still a long way to go. Joe
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That looks REALLY REALLY good.
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yellowbeard....It's obvious that all you hard work is paying off...Looking great.
Moose
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Joe, looking real good! Did you have enough clearance between the front fenders and your suspension?
Tom
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not much, changed the top A arms to tubular and left the camber 1 degree out to clear.
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Spotted these on Ebay...a lot of adjustment...but not cheap.
(http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a383/EdJacobi/controlARMS.jpg) (http://s15.photobucket.com/user/EdJacobi/media/controlARMS.jpg.html)
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the clearance you need is at the top of the A arm.
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got her to the first car guys get together, since I've had her. Feels good to get to drive her around. Still some body work and tinkering to do.
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Really nice job! Thanks for the update.
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Has to be a great feeling! Car sits nice and looks great.
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still a long way to go. but closer than I ever been.
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Looking good, your moving right along with your build.
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Yellowbeard,
Congrats on taking it out to the first car guys event. It takes a lot of work just to get it to that point. You should be proud, it looks great!
Tom
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Going to your first event with a new build always gets the hart pumping....Looks good!
Moose
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Sure looks like a nice ride NOW you will have all winter to iron out all the bugs..should put them all in a JAR lol lol vette
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Congrats on the first car-show. It a great feeling. Now go have some fun . 8)
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Took the 31 to the (cat house) here. It's and old home that the last owner 50 yrs. ago left it to her cats.
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For some reason, cars always look better with an interesting backdrop and a pretty girl. ::)l
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Nice shot Yellowbeard, car looks great!
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Yes for some reason they always do
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putting air in the ole 31, gets to hot and humid down here in Mississippi. Build my own air vents, didn't like the looks of the plastic vents.
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Looks great ...Now both you and your car are Cool!
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not yet, still have to mount the condenser and run the lines.