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Title: New member with a 1934 Chevy Master
Post by: 75TH RANGER INF on November 16, 2015, 08:30:40 PM
Hey. Iím a newbie here and my name is Duke.  Iím 56 and own an automotive shop in Kyle called Master-Tech Automotive. My web is www.master-techautomotive.com.
Thumbs up to all the veterans here. I am a war vet myself. I have been working on cars for a living since 1982 and still love it. I wouldnít do anything else except maybe build these old cars and trucks in a nice 10,000 sq. ft. Central HVAC shop on a nice piece of land right next to really nice ranch house. Get up whenever I want, not have to talk to customers all day, just to myself while Iím building some nice rod, wait,  I already talk to myself when Iím building rods, anyways, It would have a powder coat room and nice huge  spray booth and mixing room, lathe, mill, cnc machines. All this if I hit the lottery. I never play it so someone will have to Will me the money and we know that wonít happen so I think I will just wake up and smell the roses and go back to work.
 
I  bought a 1934 Chevy Master out of Maryland. Itís all steel. I have been wanting one of these since a guy tried to trade me a 1930 2Dr Coupe with a rumble seat for a 1970 Mustang I did a resto mod on. He backed out so I have had my sights set on getting one ever since. I sold the Mustang to a guy in N.J. A friend of mine who hauls car privately took the Mustang to N.J. and while he was on his way there I bought this car so he agreed to swing over and get the car and bring it back along with some Arkansas rain, which I will explain later.

The original owner in West VA did a nice job on the frame and body. The paint is 12 years old but is still very presentable. You will see in some of the later pics just what I mean. A member of my family does pro auto detailing and spent 2 days on it and man did it ever transform.

The frame was powder coated, the underbody was painted throughout and rhino lined in the places that get the most abuse. The interior was sealed and painted, all the interior inside the panels was sealed and coated and sound deadener was applied. I had to peal some off of the floors when I welded my seat bracket mounts and I wanna tell you what, that crap is hell to get off once it has been given some time to setup.

I did not care for the jaguar electric buckets that sat too high above the body and also did not care for the color. It wasnít too bad I just had other things in mind.

I have quite a few pictures I want to share so I will add more about it as I go and hopefully if someone is doing their car and had an idea of doing something I have done on this one and wanted to know what it would look like before they did it, then I hope it can be of some help. Lord knows I looked online for 2 weeks every day to get ideas and locate parts.

The first pics are of the car how I got it.

Thanks for having me here.

Duke
Title: Re: New member with a 1934 Chevy Master
Post by: 75TH RANGER INF on November 16, 2015, 08:32:47 PM
Did not like the black top either
Title: Re: New member with a 1934 Chevy Master
Post by: 75TH RANGER INF on November 16, 2015, 08:38:29 PM
The rear axle was 2" too far forward. It has a Monte Rear Suspension so I bought G body upper 2 way adjustable control arms and G body lower 2 way adjustable control arms to get the rear end centered better in the wheel well. Then the too short drive shaft fell out. Had a new one build. I also had to square the body on the frame because the right front tire was inside the fender an 1 1/2" more than the left.
Title: Re: New member with a 1934 Chevy Master
Post by: FATnLOW on November 16, 2015, 08:38:56 PM
Welcome ..good looking 34......
Title: Re: New member with a 1934 Chevy Master
Post by: TFoch on November 16, 2015, 08:44:38 PM
Welcome to the forum Duke.  Nice 34 Chevy!
Title: Re: New member with a 1934 Chevy Master
Post by: 75TH RANGER INF on November 16, 2015, 08:57:54 PM
I have posted twice more now with images and it keeps kicking me out. Im going to sign off for a minute and come back

Thanks for all the welcomes. Glad to be here

Duke
Title: Re: New member with a 1934 Chevy Master
Post by: madmike3434 on November 17, 2015, 12:19:17 AM
Interesting 34 master.  The car started life as either a 3 window or 5 window coupe and got decapitated.  Somebody did a great job doing it.

The giveaway is the windshield is a closed car fisher body, the stock one is a full windshield metal casting.  The other tell is the dashboard panel, stock it sits deep under the wood collar that ties the door posts together 

Only a 34-35 chev nerd like me would know this.  I had a guy try to trade me a 33 master convert at the NSRA nats in Tulsa  OK 1973

mike       8)

mike lynch
Title: Re: New member with a 1934 Chevy Master
Post by: ghost28 on November 17, 2015, 10:18:30 AM
That's a nice looking car. I did look at your mocification thread and you are doing it justice. Welcome to the site.
Title: Re: New member with a 1934 Chevy Master
Post by: chopper526 on November 17, 2015, 12:08:58 PM
Welcome aboard, from Philly, Duke.
Title: Re: New member with a 1934 Chevy Master
Post by: 75TH RANGER INF on November 17, 2015, 02:12:55 PM
Interesting 34 master.  The car started life as either a 3 window or 5 window coupe and got decapitated.  Somebody did a great job doing it.

The giveaway is the windshield is a closed car fisher body, the stock one is a full windshield metal casting.  The other tell is the dashboard panel, stock it sits deep under the wood collar that ties the door posts together 

Only a 34-35 chev nerd like me would know this.  I had a guy try to trade me a 33 master convert at the NSRA nats in Tulsa  OK 1973

mike       8)

Thanks for the info. I did not know any of that. The original owner told me it was indeed a 5 window before and he added a 33 roadster cowl.

Duke

mike lynch
Title: Re: New member with a 1934 Chevy Master
Post by: Dugeman on November 17, 2015, 03:15:57 PM
Great looking car ! Welcome aboard.
Title: Re: New member with a 1934 Chevy Master
Post by: madmike3434 on November 17, 2015, 05:39:47 PM
Duke, prior owner got his year wrong on the cowl.......your car has a 34 cowl , as shown 2-3 posts above in picture.     33 cowl is very narrow in that area, one of the few ways I can pick 33--34 cars differences.

A 33 or a 34 chev coupe, doors on a 5 window are shorter and a 3 window would make for a much longer door.


mike
Title: Re: New member with a 1934 Chevy Master
Post by: 62131 on November 17, 2015, 05:58:48 PM
Welcome Duke from Kentucky, as I'm sure you have already figured out there are guys on here with a lot of knowledge about these old Bowties, by the way you have a nice looking 34.   
Title: Re: New member with a 1934 Chevy Master
Post by: 75TH RANGER INF on November 17, 2015, 07:48:03 PM
Now I need to see the difference in order to relate the 2 different windshields. When I search 5 window master I see windshields like mine and some that look to have a trim piece on the outside edge.
How would someone go about in changing it to a closed fisher body windshield ?

I need the knowledge because the guy I bought it from hardly knows anything about the build and now I am wondering why the original owner would tell me it had a 33 roadster cowl

When people ask me what I have I want to be correct

Duke
Title: Re: New member with a 1934 Chevy Master
Post by: madmike3434 on November 17, 2015, 09:34:30 PM
OKAY HERE WE GO.........
: a ROADSTER has a moveable windshield that opens.
A roadster does not have rollup side windows it has side cloth curtains that are mounted into the doors with special rods
Generally a roadster has wind wings mounted to the windshield roadster posts.
The roadster body has hidden door hinges, latches and strikers.
The roadster body was not made by Chevrolet nor fisher body , it was supplied to Chevrolet by an outside supplier .

; A cabriolet /convertible has a fixed cast metal windshield that does not open.
The windshield frame is a one piece cast unit as per the pictures.
The cab/convert has side vent windows on winders
The body is produced by Fisher body and uses hinges, latches , strikers locks all the same as the other 34 master closed cars.

If this car still has its factory aluminum firewall plate, and you post the 34-... number I can tell you whether you car was originally a 3 window or a 5 window.  The doors will be much longer on a 3 window body.

Your windshield system is common to all other 33--34 Chevrolet closed cars made by Fisher.

study the pictures

mike       8)     
Title: Re: New member with a 1934 Chevy Master
Post by: madmike3434 on November 17, 2015, 09:43:10 PM


When people ask me what I have I want to be correct

Duke

Duke , just tell them you have a 1934 Chevrolet master series, if you try to explain whats happened, you will only confuse them, simpler answer the better.

Its a good looking car and love the dash and sterio system upgrade with the consul. If your not running flowmaster 40's the subwoofer thump will let them know your coming.

mike
Title: Re: New member with a 1934 Chevy Master
Post by: 75TH RANGER INF on November 17, 2015, 10:13:39 PM
Ok. that sheds some light now. I see that the window frames are all removable as mine is not. Thanks for clearing this up for me.
As far as my vin goes, the guy I bought it from told me that the original owner never did have a title since he got the car out of some field in W. VA. I have not confirmed this with the original owner, which I will tomorrow.

It has an issued vin plate which made me think it was a kit car but I was assured it was not and that it was an original all steel 34 Master. This is something else I want to verify if possible without asking the original owner if possible.

Here is an image of the plate.
Title: Re: New member with a 1934 Chevy Master
Post by: sammons on November 17, 2015, 10:51:59 PM
Welcome to the site. Really nice car!
Title: Re: New member with a 1934 Chevy Master
Post by: madmike3434 on November 18, 2015, 10:31:39 AM
yup, thats a replacement firewall id plate that's been made up with new numbers.

Nothing on there tells me whether the car was a 3 window or 5 window originally.  That can be determined by the length of the door.  If someboy on here has a 3 or 5 window and can measure their door, bingo theres your answer.

I found a picture of a 1934 Chevrolet **fisher body tag** for a 1934 Chevrolet Cabriolet/convertible.  This is what should have been on your car but went missing with the model designation for 3 window or 5 window

mike
Title: Re: New member with a 1934 Chevy Master
Post by: sammons on November 18, 2015, 10:44:34 AM
Here ya go Mike, my '35 Std 3-window is 38 3/4" at the bottom of the belt line(also same distance as 2dr sedan, just measured it for kicks).  Mike when i first got my '34 5-w master, i wanted to convert it to a 3-w. Was at a carshow talking to an old Chevy man, he told me very few 3-w masters built and they used the same door as the standard. His buddy said no, they were 2" longer on the master. Then a third guy piped in and said they never made a 34 3-w master or a 34-35 5-w standard!  Needless to say i left very confused. :-\  The first guy also said 2dr sedan length same as 3w coupe and 5w master was same length as 4dr sedan frt door, just to add to my confusion. ;D

I use to have the door length on the '34 Master 5-W, can't find it. If i remember it was like 6" or so shorter.  Should be really noticable on qtr panel.

'34 Master qtr 5-W
'34-35  3-W
Title: Re: New member with a 1934 Chevy Master
Post by: madmike3434 on November 18, 2015, 05:41:18 PM
yup very obvious that the 5 window quarter panel from door post to fender well molding is very long. 

The 3 window in same area is very short as shown.

mike
Title: Re: New member with a 1934 Chevy Master
Post by: 75TH RANGER INF on November 18, 2015, 10:05:11 PM
Now that I look at Sammons pics. Mine looks like the one in primer. The rear quarter at the bottom looks to be the same size as mine.
So have a modified 5 window. I like the idea of having a removable top but would have liked a hardtop much better. Getting the windows adjusted to seal to my top was a chore in itself and I still need to adjust both of them again after I get more glass made.
I just installed new glass but they rounded the top front corner and it does not seal.

Duke
Title: Re: New member with a 1934 Chevy Master
Post by: madmike3434 on December 13, 2015, 12:44:04 PM
Here ya go Mike, my '35 Std 3-window is 38 3/4" at the bottom of the belt line(also same distance as 2dr sedan, just measured it for kicks).  Mike when i first got my '34 5-w master, i wanted to convert it to a 3-w. Was at a carshow talking to an old Chevy man, he told me very few 3-w masters built and they used the same door as the standard. His buddy said no, they were 2" longer on the master. Then a third guy piped in and said they never made a 34 3-w master or a 34-35 5-w standard!  Needless to say i left very confused. :-\  The first guy also said 2dr sedan length same as 3w coupe and 5w master was same length as 4dr sedan frt door, just to add to my confusion. ;D

I use to have the door length on the '34 Master 5-W, can't find it. If i remember it was like 6" or so shorter.  Should be really noticable on qtr panel.

'34 Master qtr 5-W
'34-35  3-W

SAMMONS was out of country, ( florida ) for a while and missd this post.

Boy you really ran into some people who were confused with their information.

5 window coupes were only made in 1933 master 19334 master
3 window coupes were made in 1933 master and 1934 master

3 window coupes in the STANDARD series were made in 1933, 1934, 1935

Cabriolet convertibles were made in 1933 master and 1934 master.

Roadsters were made in 1933 master and 1934 master
phaeton touring cars were made in 1933 master and 1934 master

roadsters were made in 1934 Chevrolet **standard** series and 1935 Chevrolet standard series
phaeton tourings were made in *standard * series 1934 and 1935.

HOLDEN Australia GM made *standard* series for 1933 in roadsters and phaetons that GM north America did not.

Also a very interesting Australia GM HOLDEN only , is the ROADSTER PICKUP or more commonly called the UTE.  Really neat car truck, like an early el camino .

Be aware if ever considering purchasing a 33--35 GM HOLDEN built car, they are different in the main body.

mike lynch       8)
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