Rusty Bowtie
General Category => General Discussion - Intros => Topic started by: munch on February 25, 2014, 02:27:48 PM
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I know some of you have read thread by me looking for a 193 rear tire carrier, but they are designed for the big stock wheels. Can anyone share with me how they may have mounted a rear spare on a hot rod?
Mine is a 1930 two door Coach.
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Good morning Munch. Well, I'm just getting started on my build, but I've already decided that I want a clean look on the back of the car, which means the spare will need to find another home. FWIW I note that most of the hot rods don't put the spare on the back.
Yes, you will definitely see some there, and the stock tire mount does indeed carry the big 17" (on the '35 anyway) spare. However, due to how narrow the old rims were, I'm not sure if you can fit a considerably wider rim on there or not. Of course, if you are running stock...then no problem.
It seems to me that several of us run two different size tires front and rear, which makes it awkward to decide which one to use for the spare. I have even considered running one of those ridiculous pizza tires as a spare, but stashed inside the car. Hopefully, it is something that I will never need.
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cocobolo,
Thanks for the info, I to like the clean look but also want to end up with a ride that I cam make some trips in. No where in a Coach to store anything. I guess I try and score some fender tire wells. I guess this needs more thought.
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cocobolo,
Thanks for the info, I to like the clean look but also want to end up with a ride that I cam make some trips in. No where in a Coach to store anything. I guess I try and score some fender tire wells. I guess this needs more thought.
I think the fenderwell idea is great. It gives the car a really classic and classy look...IMO anyway. The flip side is that it might restrict your access to the engine compartment somewhat.
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I seem to have a lot of flats on my '53 pickup but a spare there is not a problem. For the '26 roadster I'll carry patches, a spare tube. and a 12V compressor. Gotta leave room for tools, parts, and beer. 8)
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Munch,
Do you know what size spare tire size you want to mount? Do you have any pictures of the rear part of your frame where the original spare tire mounted? Maybe we could design a custom one for you.
Tom
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I seem to have a lot of flats on my '53 pickup but a spare there is not a problem. For the '26 roadster I'll carry patches, a spare tube. and a 12V compressor. Gotta leave room for tools, parts, and beer. 8)
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GOTTA have room for tools, spare parts and Beers... ;D so I carry air compressor tire plugs and cans of Fix a Flat ;) LOL
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My tires are so different in size that its no consideration. I cant run different sizes on the rear because of the locker.I just have my AAA card and will call for a rollback if needed.
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I am using the mini spare from the 95 Camaro I parted out...I mean it is tiny and hardly takes up any space in my tiny trunk.
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Thanks for the feedback. I have AAA, but hate the idea of loading up because of a flat. Besides the exhaust sit low and you would have to take care when loading it.
Tom, I will send oics when I can with an idea I am toying with.
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Well,there is always a couple cans of fix a flat . Desparate times call for desparate measures!
My car will be built to be loaded on a rollback,with hooks on all 4 corners. I will have to trailer it out to the road a lot of the time ( 1/2 mile of dirt driveway) or if I am takeing it somewhere more than 50-60 miles away. I do have a hydraulic trailer with a winch ,thats how I got it up here!
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Load it up! Another option would be to have the nieghbor come get me and take me home to get the trailer.
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Munch, I've been thinking more about this spare tire problem.
Basically, all I will need is a spare to get me to the nearest tire repair place and that's all. That's assuming that I will eventually get this thing running, of course.
So one of the things I expect to do to the '35 is to channel it. Now, having an IRS in the back means that I will have a stable driveshaft, and I expect it will be higher than a flat floor. That means I will require a driveshaft tunnel. I think I might make that tunnel deliberately high enough that it would cover the pizza spare. So with that in mind, I think I will try to fit a nice round cavity between the tunnel and the side of the body, inside the car. I do realize that is a pretty tight space on the '35, but it sure would be nice if would fit like that. Then I could make a flat floor section behind the front seats and it would be nice and tidy. Effectively it would make a space between the two rear floor sections to store things that you don't need very often.
Haven't checked the size of one of those tiny tires or the potential available space behind the seat, but I'll do that tomorrow. Heck, if it won't fit, there's always Plan B.
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Cocobolo,
Sounds like a plan, I'm still thinking about mine. You know how the inside of a sedan looks. Maybe create some space behind the rear seat back?
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Here is a picture of the 1995 Camaro Z28 spare on the left. It's a T125/70D15 with GM 5 on 4-3/4"
The other spare is a standard GM uni-lug 4-3/4" and 5", it's a T145/80D16.
That Camaro spare fits in my 33 nicely and takes up very little room.
Ed
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That may be something to consider. My Coach has a tool tray under the rear seat and the seat back and bottom are not original, but padded and covered plywood. The seat bottom needs to be raised as it sits too low. Maybe room to create a compartment for a spare like that. What are the dimensions including thickness if you don't mind??
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The tires is 21.5" tall, laying down it's 5.75" high, FYI the backspace is 4.25"
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Cocobolo,
Sounds like a plan, I'm still thinking about mine. You know how the inside of a sedan looks. Maybe create some space behind the rear seat back?
Absolutely, and I did think about that as well. But something else I want to do is to make some sort of storage area between the front seats and where the back seats used to be. So, if I had something in the way there, it would be real fun to access the spare.
I hope to use that area behind the seat for a custom fuel tank.
Incidentally, has anyone used or seen one of those folding four way wheel wrenches? They fold flat so you wouldn't use up a bigger area as in a regular 4 way. Mind you, I suppose we all should have the same size wheel lugs anyway, so a long handled ratchet ought to do the job.
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cocobolo,
What do you think about these.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Chevy-Running-Board-Fender-Spare-Tire-Well-STEEL-29-30-31-32-/350910012464?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item51b3dddc30&vxp=mtr
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You know Munch, I absolutely love those things. The way I see it is they add a real touch of class to any car. I mean, just look at at some of the old classics with the spares in the wheel wells, they look so good. I just might have to give that idea some serious consideration, but at $125 a pop I'd be making them myself! By the time that got sent up to Canada with shipping, exchange and taxes here, it would be in the $220 range...each! Maybe OK if you are a working man, but us old age pensioners have to watch our pesos.
Another thing about those...I wonder just how wide a tire you could fit in there? I suppose you could always widen your front fenders if you're a decent body man.
OK, I just went out and measured the width of the front fender...and you could put a REAL tire in there! Those guys are wide! However, the actual diameter of the tire would be limited. You'd need to check on exactly what your tire size would be in order to make sure the wheel well wouldn't interfere with your front tires. Too cold for me to waste much time in the garage now, but I think it's time to start looking seriously at wheel/tire combinations.
I also looked at the spare in my high priced Lumina, and it's about the same as the Camaro spare that EDNY posted. So maybe GM used the same thing in many of their vehicles. However, something tells me they wouldn't look that attractive in the front fenders!
Also checked the dimension across the front of the rear seat area, and it's only 44", so there definitely would not be room for a spare by the time a driveshaft tunnel was built...so that's out. On to Plan B.
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I used the original bracket with an adapter to 4 3/4 X 5.
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Jocko...super nice car! May I ask the sizes of your wheels and tires? Thanks.
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Jocko,
Was the original the triangle with the bottom mount and rod on each side? All three points mounted through the body panel into the frame.
Did you cut down the size of the triangle to fit inside the rim?
Looks good.
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Thanks for the assist cocobolo.
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The tire size is P205 70R 15 mounted on a 15"x 6" rim. The original spare bracket mounts through the gas apron at 3 points on the frame. No modifying to the bracket just an adapter installed to the 3 original studs to mount the new bolt pattern studs to the new wheel. Remember original wheel was 6 lug and new wheel is 5 lug.
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My tires are so different in size that its no consideration. I cant run different sizes on the rear because of the locker.I just have my AAA card and will call for a rollback if needed.
Two pizza spares???