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Title: Need some help identifying this Chevrolet
Post by: SpeedHunter on August 01, 2013, 05:38:12 PM
Hi everyone. I was pointed to this forum from another great online community by Tom(TFoch).
Can someone here help me ID this http://imgur.com/a/wgFpO ? the serials read 4641150 , then 348532 , B98 and the Chevrolet logo with 1. , I already made a thread on another site and someone pointed out that the engine is made in Feb 9, 1928 the problem is with the chassis and radiator since they dont seem to fit the the year , any help in finding out what model it is?
Title: Re: Need some help identifying this Chevrolet
Post by: TFoch on August 01, 2013, 07:23:58 PM
Hi Speedhunter,
Glad you signed up.  Hope you enjoy the site.  I hope the Chevy guys on here can help you identify the chassis and grill.
Tom
Title: Re: Need some help identifying this Chevrolet
Post by: themoose on August 02, 2013, 09:49:59 PM
First off welcome aboard.

I believe the number you pictures are showing is the casting number which would make it a 1928 engine but from what I can see from your pictures the car may be earlier  than that. Do you have any other info or pictures?

Moose

 
Engine Casting #Make Year CID, #mains, [size=-2]number of cylinders [/size]Possible Stamped Serial Numbers
14001133Chevrolet76-80292 = 7
1782594Chev36 CanadaM5593000
1788201 Chev37AustraliaR in serial # (?)
1970Chevrolet64-67292 = 7
2135412GMC46-54200,270 = 4
2193980GMC52-54302
2324002GMC55-62248,302
2324003GMC55-63270
2324004GMC55-62302
2404929GMC55-63270 = 4m
289890Chevrolet63-77292 = 7
327773Chev 490 & Supr1922-24171-4cyl
328518Chevrolet73-77292 = 7
328572Chevrolet73-76250 = 7
328575Chev/Buick/Olds/ Pontiac68-84250 = 7
328576Chev/Buick/Pontiac68-76250 = 7
328578Chevrolet73-84292 = 7
328880Chevrolet63-77292 = 7
329990Chevrolet63-77292 =7
344624Chev Sup1925171 – 4cyl = 3
345504Chev Sup1926171 – 4cyl = 3
346715Chev26??171 – 4cyl = 3
348532Chev28171 – 4cyl =3
348709Chev27171 – 4cyl =3
352194Chevrolet73-84292 =7
358825Chevrolet66-76250 = 7
3629703Chevrolet50-52235 = 4
364909Chevrolet/Olds75-79292 = 7
3660439 Chev41235 = 4m
366855Chev/Buick/Olds/ Pontiac66-84250 = 7
3692703Chevrolet50-51235 = 4 PGHDA,HDM,HEA,HEM JDA,JDM,JEA,JEM
3692708Chevrolet(51?)50-52235
3692713Chevrolet(50?)50-52Truck 235
3693374Chevrolet(46?)42-49235
3701481Chevrolet54235TorF54L-Z
3701483Chev53235LDA,LDM,LEA,LEM,
3701946Chevrolet53 3-spd235 dipperLAA(?) ditto above.
3702436(part#?)Chev54-55261
3703414Chevrolet54-56(??)261
37127Chevrolet73-76250 = 7
3733340Chevrolet55-57261
3733414Chev55-57 261
3733813Chevrolet58261
3733946Chevrolet54-55235
3733949Chevrolet55 1st ser235
3733950Chevrolet54-55261
3737012Chevrolet55-57261
3738307Chevrolet58-60 trk235
3738365Chevrolet60-62261
3738476Chevrolet58-62235
3738813Chevrolet55-59261
3739365Chevrolet58-62(59?)261
3739716Chevrolet58-62(60)235
3759365Chevrolet59 261
3764476Chevrolet58-62235
3768925 Chev (half inch NPT oil gauge) 55 - +261
3769Chev58 – 62235
3769716Chevrolet60235
3769717Chevrolet59-62261
3769925Chevrolet58-62261
377127Chevrolet/Olds/ Pontiac73-79250 = 7
377129Chevrolet73-84292 = 7
3773949Chevrolet54235
3777178Buick68-76250 = 7
3782856Chevrolet62-67194 = 7
3782858Chevrolet62-67194 = 7
378307Chevrolet60-62235
3783949Chevrolet53-54235
3788378Chevrolet62-74292 = 7
3788406Chevrolet62-69230 = 7
3788514Chevrolet62-70153 =5–4cyl
3788813Chevrolet55-59(58?)261
3789404Chevrolet63-76292 = 7
3789412Chevrolet63-66292 = 7
3789716Chevrolet63-72292 = 7
3792852GMC62-66194 = 7
3792858Chevrolet62-67194 = 7
3821970GMC67-72292 = 7
3833057Chevrolet62-70194 = 7
3833067Chevrolet63-70194 = 7
3833340Chevrolet55-57261
383340Chevrolet55-57261
3835253Chevrolet48 – 49216FA, GA
3835309Chevrolet48 - 49235FDA,FDM,FEA,FEM GDA,GDM,GEA,GEM
3835335Chevrolet47 235EDA,EDM,EEA,EEM
3835353Chevrolet48-52216
3835363Chevrolet54235
3835374Chevrolet42-49235
3835491Chevrolet54235
3835497Chev (half ton ?)50 - 51216AHCA-BJCM HAA-JCQ
3835527Chevrolet51216
3835692Chevrolet52235KDA,KDM,KEA,KEM
3835794Chevrolet52-53216
3835846Chevrolet53235
3835849Chev (half ton ?)52 -53216AKCA-BLCP KAA-LCQ
3835894Chevrolet53216
3835911Chevrolet54-55235
3835917Chevrolet54-55235
3835946Chevrolet53235
3835949Chevrolet54235
3836012Chevrolet55-57261
3836223Chevrolet55-57235
3836233Chevrolet55-4/1/56235
3836340Chevrolet57261
3836386Chevrolet55-57235
3837004Chevrolet T56X55-57235-261
3837012Chevrolet55-57 Also42-51261 ???? 216 ????
3838004Chev55-57235
3843363Chevrolet53-55235
3850817Chevrolet62-78230-250 = 7
3851656Chevrolet63-72292 = 7
3851659Chevrolet63-76292 = 7
3851859Chevrolet63-72292 = 7
3854036Chev/Olds/ Pontiac62-76230-250 = 7
3855914Chevrolet63-66292 = 7
3855987Chevrolet63-71292 = 7
3855991Chevrolet63-70230 = 7
3856233Chevrolet55235
3858190Chevrolet54-55235
386855Chevrolet74-77250 = 7
3877178Buick/Olds/Chev/ Pont/GMC62-78230-250 = 7
3879875Chevrolet62-70194 = 7
3886061Chevrolet63-66292 = 7
3890011Buick/Chev/Olds /Pontiac68-72250 = 7
3890013Chevrolet68-72250 = 7
3892858Chevrolet64-67194 = 7
389770Chevrolet42-51 (?)216
3897702Chevrolet42-53 (?)216
3921770Chevrolet66-76292 = 7
3921967Chevrolet64-69230 = 7
3921968Chevrolet/Olds64-76230-250 = 7
3921970Chevrolet63-76292 = 7
40050Chev FA Early1916-19224 – 4cyl
43950Chev FB1919-22224 – 4cyl
45834 Chev 4901922 171 – 4 cyl
473180Chev Standard1933182 3 mainHead = 600569
473741Chev Standard1934182 3 mainHead = 473740
5485363Chev54235
5845363Chev54235
6107326GMC39 – 54 228
6107328GMC39 – 55248
743Chev 4901916 – 17171-4cyl
828575Chevrolet72-77250 = 7main
835501Chev29 – 30194 = 3main
836010Chev1936206 = 3mainHead = 837981
836409Chev31194 = 3main
836573Chev32194 = 3mainHead = 836718
837591Chev35206 = 3mainEarly Head = 837230
Late Head = 837682
837231Chev Master1933 & 34206 = 3 main33=836961,34=837230
837751Chevrolet42-49235 dipper
838101Chev37216 = 4 mainSerial# 1 – 1187821
838710Chev38216 = 4m1187822 – 1915446 B1 - B10502
838941Chev39216 = 4m1915447 – 2697267 B10503 - B105461
838751Chev42235 = 4mBG, BL
839132Chev40216 = 4m2697268 – 3665902 B105462 - B221935
839400Chev41216 = 4mAA1001 - AA1163720 AC1001 - AC19549
839751 Chev42 – 46235 = 4mBG, BL, DDA, DDM, DEA, DEM
839770Chevrolet(46-49?) 422162AA, 2AC, BA DA, EA
8397715Chevrolet42-49235
839910Chevrolet42-51216
839931Chevrolet42-49235
8692703(?)Chev PG50235
8994256Chevrolet64-77292 = 7
93403466Chevrolet75-83250 = 7
93403467Chevrolet75-84292 = 7
93406004Chevrolet75-84292 = 7
967Chev 4901918 - 21171-4cyl
9787437Pontiac66-67230 = 7
9790043Pontiac68-69250 = 7
9795066Pontiac68-69250 = 7
9890043Pontiac68-69250 = 7

Title: Re: Need some help identifying this Chevrolet
Post by: SpeedHunter on August 03, 2013, 01:08:10 PM
Quote from: themoose on August 02, 2013, 09:49:59 PM
First off welcome aboard.

I believe the number you pictures are showing is the casting number which would make it a 1928 engine but from what I can see from your pictures the car may be earlier  than that. Do you have any other info or pictures?

Moose

No info at all , info about it is what im trying to find :D , also i can make as many pictures as you want , but tomorrow since theres no light there now , just tell me what you want me to take a picture of
Title: Re: Need some help identifying this Chevrolet
Post by: themoose on August 03, 2013, 05:54:48 PM
The frame and springs look to be pretty heavy duty plus the frame appears to be cracked and patched  which might indicate some hard usage such that a truck might experience.  The radiator shell looks to have a different profile than any Chevy that I'm familiar with the top inner corners of the opening being more rounded that the  of the typical Chevy style through the years plus what appears to be some sort of louver system to control air flow through the radiator . Also from what I can see in the pictures it looks like the engine mounts could have been fabricated to accommodate the Chevy engine . So what does this all mean? Possible export  or limited production vehicle or one that was fabricated from bits and pieces from some other make with the addition of a Chevy badge  to represent the engine. Got me stumped. Be sure to let us know what you come up with.

Moose
Title: Re: Need some help identifying this Chevrolet
Post by: SpeedHunter on August 03, 2013, 07:01:01 PM
Quote from: themoose on August 03, 2013, 05:54:48 PM
The frame and springs look to be pretty heavy duty plus the frame appears to be cracked and patched  which might indicate some hard usage such that a truck might experience.  The radiator shell looks to have a different profile than any Chevy that I'm familiar with the top inner corners of the opening being more rounded that the  of the typical Chevy style through the years plus what appears to be some sort of louver system to control air flow through the radiator . Also from what I can see in the pictures it looks like the engine mounts could have been fabricated to accommodate the Chevy engine . So what does this all mean? Possible export  or limited production vehicle or one that was fabricated from bits and pieces from some other make with the addition of a Chevy badge  to represent the engine. Got me stumped. Be sure to let us know what you come up with.

Moose

the frame is indeed cracked in one place and patched , it was build in a house so as not to be confiscated by the communists or so ive heard so i dont think the chassis is complete ,  as for its usage , it was later modified to cut wood ( such a waste ).
I'll post closer pictures with the the engine mounts so you can see if it was really modified.
Possible export? probably since im not in the US ; Limited production , i wish but not likely and i really dont think it was fabricated from bits since some very old people said they saw it almost complete when it was built in the house.I was hoping the serials could help me track down the original body model and how it looked like.
On a side note here since you're an expert , how much is it worth in this state and how much would it cost to restore it ? 
Title: Re: Need some help identifying this Chevrolet
Post by: themoose on August 04, 2013, 09:06:16 AM
 
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how much is it worth in this state and how much would it cost to restore it ?



There’s never a good answer to those questions…. It’s all relative. The value is affected by a number of factors but is usually mostly influenced by the basic law of supply and demand. If everybody wants one and you have the only one then it might be worth a lot of money and if the opposite is true then the value would be far less. Add to this things such as historical significance or sentimental value and the answer becomes even more clouded. In the case of your vehicle where we really don’t even know for sure what it is I don’t think I could even give you a good ballpark answer.  As for the cost of restoration we have a similar situation. How rare and available are parts, will you do the work yourself or do you have to sublet it, do you want a show car or just a fun car. Those are the things that I take into consideration when I’m trying to come up with an idea of what a project will cost or to set a budget and even then I find that most of the time I’m still not very close to my estimate when the project is finished. For me It’s usually a labor of love and the monetary considerations are secondary.
 
Moose
 
Title: Re: Need some help identifying this Chevrolet
Post by: SpeedHunter on August 08, 2013, 09:12:53 AM
Updating with more pictures as requested here http://imgur.com/a/5YNDE , sorry for the late reply i had some stuff to do.
On the steering wheel thing ( i dont know the english translation for it ) is written 258080 ( thats my guess , its pretty rusty ) then the symbol which look like a steering wheel and then an 8 , after the text reads PATENTED "Jaco..*" SAGINAW MICH or HICH [  maybe jacob? , im kinda bussy and dont have time to look it up sorry :( ] . On the other part ( dont know the translation again ) H2137 is written.
I've also inculded better shots of the radiator , and because of an accident the bowtie loggo fell off .
Title: Re: Need some help identifying this Chevrolet
Post by: SpeedHunter on August 08, 2013, 09:34:57 AM
Quote from: themoose on August 04, 2013, 09:06:16 AM
 
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how much is it worth in this state and how much would it cost to restore it ?



There’s never a good answer to those questions…. It’s all relative. The value is affected by a number of factors but is usually mostly influenced by the basic law of supply and demand. If everybody wants one and you have the only one then it might be worth a lot of money and if the opposite is true then the value would be far less. Add to this things such as historical significance or sentimental value and the answer becomes even more clouded. In the case of your vehicle where we really don’t even know for sure what it is I don’t think I could even give you a good ballpark answer.  As for the cost of restoration we have a similar situation. How rare and available are parts, will you do the work yourself or do you have to sublet it, do you want a show car or just a fun car. Those are the things that I take into consideration when I’m trying to come up with an idea of what a project will cost or to set a budget and even then I find that most of the time I’m still not very close to my estimate when the project is finished. For me It’s usually a labor of love and the monetary considerations are secondary.
 
Moose
I'm not looking for an exact sum or any special circumstances like me being the only one with the part in question , im looking for approximate value  , i know it cant value much , but still i dont want my father giving it to the first person giving 100$ for it ( unless of course its worth lee than that ) and its value be 1000$. And at least i know what the engine is for sure , how much would it be worth ?
On a side note , first i taught it was a 1928 Chevrolet National Series AB and i searched a bit for that model and found various prices for it mostly 14,000$ but then i found this fella here http://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/dealer/chevrolet/national/1579308.html , whats so special about it?

About restoration , i dont really think i would build it as a show car , just as a fun car and so is restoring it , i will do it personally along with my father if i find out what it is and if its worth it
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