Rusty Bowtie
Miscellaneous => Members Builds - Stocker -Streetrod - Ratrod - LowRider => Topic started by: RH on January 31, 2014, 09:57:20 PM
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I've always wanted a sedan delivery, and after years of thinking about it finally decided to panel in my rear windows for the look I'm after. Not going to cut out a rear door, just replace the windows with steel. Here's a few photos of the project. The rear glass was glued to the body and wood frame so it took a lot of work to get it out and cleaned up. The first photo is the glass out (the trim ring is setting in place so I could measure the gap). Next I made a template for the panels and had a couple pieces of steel cut and laminated them to plywood (next photo). And finally a photo photo of the panels screwed into place for test fitting. I had some of the 80's red color matched and mixed up and the panels are at a friends being painted now - hope to get them in a couple days. Then I'll simply screw them into place, put some sealer in the seam and it'll be time for some cool lettering to complete the transformation. :)
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RH....LIKE IT...post pics when finished ,,finish your vision of the sedan delivery.....I did one with a 28 Model A and enjoyed doing the build and cruising when I finished it,,,,,
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Thanks fatnlow
I appreciate the encouragement - not everyone around here thinks its a great idea (but thats never stopped me so far.... : )
RH
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RH, Nice ride! It'll look great as a sedan delivery. Keep the pics coming.
Tom
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Looks like some serious horsepower maker where the hood was. Lots of neat things going on on your car!
Mike
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Thanks - yah, she scoots down the road!
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I can hear the blower wine.
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Just got my panels back from paint - here's a shot with one of them setting in place.
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That really looks clean - really nice! Great area for graphics or advertising if ever needed!
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RH,
They did a great job, looks like it was always there. I like the shot from the front with the flames in your avatar. Can't imagine that sneaking up behind me in the mirror!
Tom
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Great look. I prefer it that way and the cool thing is if you ever wanted to change it back you could.
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I like it , looks clean and looks like it belongs there....
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Thanks everyone! Yah, I'm really happy with the way the paint turned out.
I'm gonna start installing them today. A little careful use of silicone adhesive along with a bunch of screws and washers all the way around and they should stay put. Here's a scribbled cutaway view of the bottom of one of the panels resting on the wood frame and how I'm screwing them in place.
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Looks great, nice job. Let's see some more pic's of the car overall!
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Thanks! Here's a bigger one of my avatar - some more are posted here:
http://www.wholearmor.net/RH35.htm
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Thanks! Here's a bigger one of my avatar - some more are posted here:
http://www.wholearmor.net/RH35.htm
RH,
I checked out the link and that's a great story and cool pics. I'm glad your wife Lisa is doing better and enjoying the hot rod with you. I hope to have my 33 on the road this summer and hope my wife enjoys riding in it. That's what it's all about!
Tom
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You're so right - hope she really loves your ride!
I just finished installing both my panels with silicone and screws. Here's a photo from the inside of one completed. The goofy marks are my code telling me which size screw, which size washer and what angle it goes into the frame. So once I put a small bead of silicone along the top and bottom, I set the panel in place and quickly installed the correct screw in each spot. Went real smooth and should be real solid too.
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That looks really great. In fact so great that everyone is going to ask why you filled in the back door. I love the car and the look. John
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Ha ha! Thanks for your kind words :)
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You could even use some velcro to attach flexible upholstered panels to cover the voids?
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Thats a good idea! But actually I already did the inside portion a while ago and drove around with the windows blocked off to see if I liked it. Made a couple panels to fit out of some left over wall paneling, and used spray adhesive to attach some black upholstery fabric. So another panel cut out of cardboard goes in place over the wood as a spacer, then the upholstery covered panels, and finally the original window trim ring holds everything in place.
Last night I applied some tung oil to the wood just for a little moisture protection. Once it's all dry I'll put the interior panels in and post a photo.
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Here's a shot of the interior panels in place (sorry for the lousy lighting, and the back seat isn't in place) I have matching black material on my front kick panels, and am going to make new door panels replacing the light grey with the same black too. So now just a little silicone into the outside seams to seal them up and she's all done! :) Also contacted Paul Comeau today, am going to have him do the lettering - amazing work, he and his son did my flames.
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Looks good...what are your plans on graphics or lettering??
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I have a couple ideas, but Paul is amazing so will work with him to come up with a final design. It will read "Sailor Hardware" in some fashion....maybe something like this?
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DONE! I just finished and snapped a shot - very happy with the results.
"Look ma...it's a sedan delivery!" :)
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That is one "Kick Ass" Sedan Delivery! Some time you'll have to post a video of it coming down the road. I'd love to see that.
Tom
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RH
Just read the entire post, glad to see your wife is doing better, cruising without the one you love makes for a lonely trip. My wife and I go everywhere together in my 38 and that's what makes it fun. I really like what you did ,how you came up with a simple design to change the looks but didn't hurt the integrity of the car. Great job.
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RH,
Just wondering what size tires and rim size you were able to fit in the rear fenders.
Tom
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Thanks for the nice comments guys!
Tom - they're 15x8 wheels and I'm currently on my third set of tires. (I keep finding bigger ones I can stuff in there :)
These are BF Goodrich Long Trail TA Tour 265/75. Keep in mind that while the body is all steel, my fenders are fiberglass and 2" wider than stock. Hope that helps
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A couple update shots - I took all three light grey rear window trim rings and screws and painted them satin black so they would blend in better. Also - you probably can't tell, but my side mirrors are a couple of the 4" Fatties - expensive, but absolutely amazing how much more you can see!
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Finally got a break in the weather so rolled her out and took the first full shot - very pleased! :)
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Looks great!
And the flames must be good for melting the snow.
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RH,
Looks like it came that way. Very nice!
Tom
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Looks great...must be an old picture...no snow and green grass???
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Ha ha! Thanks everyone :)
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I like that car. Oboy, do I like that car. I REALLY like that car.
Now you've got me to thinking...and sometimes that's not a good thing. The way you took the sedan and added the rear window panels was pretty darned good. I REALLY like that idea. Oh, I already said that, didn't I?
Now you see, the trouble is that one of my rear windows is broken. Naturally, after seeing your version of a '35 sedan, and being a wood guy and all, I'm very seriously thinking about switching to an SD. Yours just looks SOOOO good. Everything on your car came out perfectly, I'm truly in awe.
But what I think is the absolute best is that flame job. Honest to Pete, the difference between the car when it was all red and when the flames went on is like night and day. I do plan on having a hood on mine which I hope will allow continuity of the flames.
You can expect to be getting more than a few questions from me, so I hope you won't mind. A thousand thank you's for posting all this great stuff!
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I agree RH has something to be proud of ....and wish I had it ....good looking ride..... need to see the graphics, maybe
Popeye the Sailor for your Sailor Hardware,,,,,,,,,,,FATnLOW
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Thank you very much cocobolo - I do appreciate it! Of course I'll be happy to answer any question I can. Send me an email anytime - I've got lots of photos and am always glad to share.
Yah the flame job took a few tries to come with a layout that I finally was happy with, and we had to do the colors a couple times to get them just right too - but it was worth the extra time and effort (and $$$ :)
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RH , you have a really nice sedan delivery clone and I mean that in a good way. Cocobolo is lucky I never saw this car or he might have never gotten his '35 out of my yard. I had toyed with your idea of blanking the windows out then I found my 36' coupe and I sold him the '35. I am pretty sure he likes your car, lol. Very nicely done and would love to see more of this car in the future.
3WBill
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RH...I think that both my rear window winders still work. I wonder if a guy could install something instead of the glass, maybe wood with some sort of protective coating of 6 oz. f/g cloth, and use that instead of a fixed panel? Light weight...easy to do...the wheels are turning...just have to feed the hamster. :)
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RH...I think that both my rear window winders still work. I wonder if a guy could install something instead of the glass, maybe wood with some sort of protective coating of 6 oz. f/g cloth, and use that instead of a fixed panel? Light weight...easy to do...the wheels are turning...just have to feed the hamster. :)
Why not use a real dark glass. Back in the day some sedan deliverys had glass back there to let light in they were sold to flower shops for the purpose of delivering flowers, and even to this day they are still called flower cars.
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RH...I think that both my rear window winders still work. I wonder if a guy could install something instead of the glass, maybe wood with some sort of protective coating of 6 oz. f/g cloth, and use that instead of a fixed panel? Light weight...easy to do...the wheels are turning...just have to feed the hamster. :)
Why not use a real dark glass. Back in the day some sedan deliverys had glass back there to let light in they were sold to flower shops for the purpose of delivering flowers, and even to this day they are still called flower cars.
Now there's a thought...
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If you look at the photo of my chevy in the gallery it has 5% black limo window tint on the back windows. I drove it that way for a year or so, but it just wasn't what I was after. though an easy choice and looks fine!
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If you look at the photo of my chevy in the gallery it has 5% black limo window tint on the back windows. I drove it that way for a year or so, but it just wasn't what I was after. though an easy choice and looks fine!
After looking at your '35...again and again...I'm certain you chose the right avenue. It wouldn't quite look like an S/D with glass.
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Thanks for the nice comments guys!
Tom - they're 15x8 wheels...
These are BF Goodrich Long Trail TA Tour 265/75. Keep in mind that while the body is all steel, my fenders are fiberglass and 2" wider than stock. Hope that helps
I had a hunch your rear fenders were a little wider than stock. I measured the side to side on mine, and they are 10" at the widest point. With the tire/wheel combinations I'm looking at I may need to go an extra 2 1/2" or even 3", but I don't want to make it too much otherwise I'm afraid it won't look right.
Can I get you to measure the actual height of both your front and rear tires please? I'm very curious to see what that would be. I hope to be able to use 10" wide rims on the rear, and 6" wide on the front.
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I'll measure the actual rubber for you, but I know that the rear wheels are 15x8 and the fronts are 15x4.5. I was running 15x6 on the front with Goodrich G-Force Sport 195/50 and it really grabbed the road but was much harder to turn. Now with the 15x4.5 and the Continental 155/60 it feels like I have power steering. I am amazed how much difference the narrower tires made up front.
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You must have been reading my mail...my next question was going to be whether or not you had power steering. I'm going to run a manual R & P, so it's good to know about how hard it is to steer.
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Just measure my tires - this is the actual diameter and width of the rubber, not the tread width - how far it is from the outside edge of one side of the bulge to the other.
Rear: 30 tall and 10.25 wide
Front 22 tall and 5.5 wide
If you're going to go much wider in the rear you'll probably need to tub the inside for clearance. I can barely get mine up inside the fenderwell and over the lugs.
Hope that helps!
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Yes indeed, many thanks.
Once I get the rear end mounted, then I will find out how much - if any - I need to tub it. First things first, I have to get the body off!
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I'm having my chevy panels lettered next Wednesday - just met with the artist this morning to work out the design and colors (same that did the flames) and I'm really excited. Of course I'll post a photo when its done!
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RH can't wait to see it!
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I'll measure the actual rubber for you, but I know that the rear wheels are 15x8 and the fronts are 15x4.5. I was running 15x6 on the front with Goodrich G-Force Sport 195/50 and it really grabbed the road but was much harder to turn. Now with the 15x4.5 and the Continental 155/60 it feels like I have power steering. I am amazed how much difference the narrower tires made up front.
Going from 50 series tires aspect ratio to 60 series aspect ratio, is a lot less rubber on the road in the front and should make it easier to steer as you have less scrub on the road.
I had same problem with 2003 S10 extreme had 235--x16x--50 series on the front and looked stupid with that low profile rubber band look and was harder to steer at low speeds. upped the size to 235-x 16 x 65 series and that changed the whole look , no rubber bands, decent size sidewalls and improved ride quality, plus the tires filled the wheel wells and look they way it should have from the factory.
Oh love those 12 spoke ET3 on the front. COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOl !
mike lynch madmike3434 8)
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I'll measure the actual rubber for you, but I know that the rear wheels are 15x8 and the fronts are 15x4.5. I was running 15x6 on the front with Goodrich G-Force Sport 195/50 and it really grabbed the road but was much harder to turn. Now with the 15x4.5 and the Continental 155/60 it feels like I have power steering. I am amazed how much difference the narrower tires made up front.
Going from 50 series tires aspect ratio to 60 series aspect ratio, is a lot less rubber on the road in the front and should make it easier to steer as you have less scrub on the road.
I had same problem with 2003 S10 extreme had 235--x16x--50 series on the front and looked stupid with that low profile rubber band look and was harder to steer at low speeds. upped the size to 235-x 16 x 65 series and that changed the whole look , no rubber bands, decent size sidewalls and improved ride quality, plus the tires filled the wheel wells and look they way it should have from the factory.
Oh love those 10 spoke ET3 on the front. COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOl !
mike lynch madmike3434 8)
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Thanks! Those are actually the Rocket Launcher wheels. Almost half the price of the ET and readily available too!
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http://www.rocketracingwheels.com/rocket-launcher-gray/p40
here is a link to their website.
mike lynch
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Just picked up my chevy from Paul Comeau Pinstriping & Lettering - he did an amazing job taking my ideas for the lettering to the next level. Super cool :)
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RH,
Very nice work! You brought it to the right shop.
Tom
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artwork is well executed. Just the right size and not overpowering.
mike
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Outstanding!
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Thanks everyone. Just for fun here's the explanation: "Sailor Hardware" is not my business, its from a TV show I used to watch in the 80's called "Wiseguy". An undercover Fed named Vinnie Terranova had an "Uncle Mike" he could call anytime to get info or help, check in etc. Uncle Mike's character was a long haired vet in a wheel chair and lived in a loft 24/7. Whenever Vinnie or someone else called that number, he would get in his chair, roll over to the desk, start the reel to reel machines to record the call, put on his headset and then answer "Sailor Hardware, Mike Terranova". I've always liked the sound of that name "Sailor Hardware" and when I first started thinkin about lettering a few years ago that was the first thing that came to mind and it just stuck - I also like that it has absolutely nothing to do with anything : ) Here's a couple photos of Uncle Mike from the TV show